UN scientists warn time is running out to tackle global warming

completely agree with you. All of you deniers do exactly as you post. Glad to see you agree finally. You should perhaps stop denying the observed facts. You'd move out of that group.

 

You mean like lack of warming this century, sea ice is above the 79 to 2008 mean, etc? Who is denying observed science other than the alarmists?

 

I've heard some weird conspiracy theories in the past, but that just about tops them all. Do you mind telling me who your source for this theory is or did you make it up all on your own.

 

yes, I completely agree. No denying that from me!

 

It really begs the question who the deniers really are doesn't it?

 

we know who they are. He/she tells us daily of his/her denial.

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he/she will even deny the deny! A double down\.

 

Actually it seems those of us who reject the "climate change" or "global warming" hoax (which is it these days? Have the hoaxers settled on a name yet?) do want technology to keep powering a modern society. Some of the most amazing technological advances in the last 50 years have come in the oil and gas industry as they keep giving direct evidence of the lie of "Peak Oil" and keep efficiently and at lower cost delivering the energy needed to run a modern society. From the use of new types of fiber optic technology and engineering advances in metallurgy and drilling techniques for offshore and adverse weather conditions, to the continued investment in newer technologies for safer and more productive hydraulic fracturing, our energy companies keep advancing to secure our energy future.

The hoaxers keep pushing dark ages technology (windmills) that don't reliably work (ask the Germans or Brits how theirs are working out), cost far more than fossil fuels and, like "dippin' dots" ice cream in the malls, they keep telling us they are the energy of the future.

BTW, tell us exactly which of those predictions the hoaxers have gotten right? Himalaya glaciers melting? Arctic free of ice? Florida cities under water? More frequent hurricanes? None of those were right, so on what exactly WERE they right? Remember, faked data don't count.

Oh, I have another thread on faked data you can see soon.

 

I don't know. Have you settled on a name? You are aware your boy Bush invented "climate change" no? Was that not good enough?

The topic is global warming. We already know enough fossil fuel exists to make large portions of the earth uninhabitable if we burn it all. No need to reinforce that point.

You haven't gotten any of your predictions right. That's why the world considers your cult to be such a joke.

They are melting. What crazy cult source told you glaciers aren't melting?

Nobody predicted that. Okay, I think one guy nobody cares about did, but you'd have to be both dishonest and desperate to pretend that was a consensus opinion. Hence, it's a denier staple tactic.

Nobody predicted that. You're getting more brazen with your faking. If you're not faking, simply show us who exactly predicted Miami would be submerged by now, and then show that was a consensus opinion.

That's never been a prediction.

One was right, and the other three are your fakes.

Given your demonstrated expertise at faking, I can hardly wait.

 

This is why you get laughed at. You only believe what the media tells you and know nothing of the actual science or what is going on.

Here's a (partial) list of the specific glaciers that are growing

 

So right after I bust you for one cherrypicking fraud, you immediately try another one?

Some glaciers will grow. More will melt. The ones that grow are the ones in colder areas. Temperature ins the colder spots still don't climb enough to melt the glaciers, and the additional precipitation from a warmer atmosphere makes them grow.

 

Evidence that something you believe is really true. If you believe the globe is not warming, I need evidence of that. If you think that humans aren't responsible, I need evidence of that. So far, you have give me nothing, bupkus, zip, nada. Put up or shut up.

I've posted that evidence many many times and you continue to ignore it, or continue to pretend not to understand it. In fact, here you go again, pretending not to understand the obvious:

Now I can fully understand that maybe you had a deprived childhood, maybe you were home-schooled and never learned how to read a graph, and maybe you're completely innumerate. But if that's the case, why don't you trust people who can read graphs and who are numerate?

 

Nope, that's not at all what it means, and anyone who understands anything about science knows that. Clearly you are not in that group.

 

That link is all about selling flights, to India, so they have a ramble, about glaciers, in INDIA, for idiots to read, and the pop-up comes up, with the travel spam.

How'd you like to check in, with another 'hysteria' comment, so you can keep your quota up, to like one of these vadgy assertions, per page, of any thread you derail?

Look. Having a vadge may win you arguments, like the slogan. You take it too far, having it, rambling, to argue, and you do the same logical fallacy rambles, for thousands of posts, without any critical thinking or resolution.

So. It seems you are in INDIANA, and you are into spamming INDIAN travel scat.

What's that have to do, with mom and pop, in Mongolia?

 

The observed temps haven't changed off normal cycles since thousands upon thousands of years ago. You think they have, let's see your evidence. I have mother nature as mine.

 

Climate changed is based on the models. To show the models wrong would be to show none of them are correct. out of 102 models, all are too high at this time so all we need to do is to show you the observed science.

 

Yet another unfounded claim by you, backed up by precisely zero evidence by you. You've got nothing again.

Posted by me before, and ignored by you before. But here it is again:

 

And your evidence that models are wrong is ... you read it on some blog, written by some guy in his pajamas who lives in his mom's basement?

Oh wait ... you're in Denierstan! Evidence? Denierstanis don't need no stickin' evidence.

 

You are right, the models aren't wrong, the observed science must be!

 

So you admit you have zero evidence to support your false assertions.

Denier FAIL.

 

LOL, you mean the failed models?

 

Still no evidence from you that models are wrong. Still no evidence ... still no evidence ... still no evidence ... still no evidence ... still no evidence ...

 

You mean the fact that they cannot predict anything is success to you?

 

Yes, if co2 is the primary cause, instead of the sun, we should expect to see the ice age to end, with polar caps melted. This will cause a sea level rise, but given the size of the oceans and the size of the caps, it will require moving inland many of the cities located on present coast lines. Which will generate economic activity and put lots of poor people back to work.

Then the belts on earth that are providing food will move to the north, utilizing fertile land that has laid fallow for a long, long time, and with the extra co2 the earth will green up, providing more food for a growing population. Already we are seeing the edges of deserts greening up, so we could see a loss of deserts, which isn't a bad thing at all.

Of course the alarmists only look at the negative, and ignore the positive, which in the end might very well outweigh the negetives. We just do not know yet. But going by past warming, it has benefitted the human species, unlike cooling which has not benefitted.

And of course the alarmists are predicting that we will have huge world wide droughts, but there is no way to prove that will happen, and the odds are the world will be wetter, not drier, and greener, not browner.

The fact may be that more co2 and a little warmer temps is what a growing world population needs, to keep starvation from happening.

The earth could very well green up to the point that it starts pulling co2 levels downward again, as it adjusts. We know that more flora will pull co2 from the air, yet not a single one of the hysterical will even think to suggest, as Freeman Dyson suggested a few years ago to address the co2 rising with land management worldwide, to naturally address the rising co2. Which should show even the dunder heads that this co2 drive warming caused by fossil fuels, has only a one facted attack, which is taxation, an UN idea. LOL.

Now one must understand how that taxation on carbon will work. The working people in America will pay more for their electricity and everything else, because of the taxes that are passed on to the consumer. Then after shoving hands deeper into the pockets of working people, this money will be sent, to Africa, to build up the needed infrastructure so our MNCs can relocate there, getting at the last source of slave labor to max out their profits. But the money doesn't leave America, and go directly to Africa, which the MNCs then scoop up for building up the infrastructure, but it has to go through intermediaries, who like the mafia will dip their pelican sized beaks in that flow of money, and keep part of it for themselves.

It's a perfect scam really by the elites. Working americans pay MNCs to build up infrastructure in Africa, so the MNCs do not have to pay for it, so these same MNcs can now build factories there to exploit slave labor, to make the products that are sent back to America to sell. These guys are really smart, and know who to fleece everyone who works for a living, in order to make themselves richer.

That liberals support this is the irony here, but since as Chris Hedges wrote about in his book, The Death of Liberalism, these people that want this tax are not actually liberals at all. They are enablers of the rich and the corporate state that both parties, with the libs and the cons agreeing on not representing the working people.

This is just a scam folks, nothing more than that. It is using climate change to send more of the income to the top, which is what has been going on for 40 years or so. And the liberals today, the voters, are just too misinformed by propaganda to realize what this con job is about. Or, they just do not care.

 

sorry friend, you've never posted any evidence that supports your claim, nor the most important piece, the theory that adding 120 PPM of CO2 does anything to temperatures. Even the IPCC stated in the AR5 report that the last fifteen years have not had the expected rise in temperature as the models predicted. While CO2 was added to the atmosphere therefore disproving the influence of CO2 on temperatures. CO2 has and will always lag temperatures. So, until you can prove anything that disputes Herr Koch's experiment from 1901, then you sir have not provided your evidence. BTW, a model is not evidence no matter how hard you pray it will.

 

No. That's absurd. There is no fertile soil lying fallow in the far north. There's bare rock or highly acidic arctic muck. Good luck growing crops without soil. Heck, there's no land at all in the southern hemisphere. Guess those southern hemisphere people are just SOL.

No. There's no evidence more CO2 helps crop yields, and good evidence it hurts crop yields.

On the plus side, at least you've moved on to stage 3. You know, of the 5 stages of denialism.

1. There's no warming!
2. There is warming, but humans aren't causing it!
3. There is warming, but that's a good thing!
4. There is warming, and it's bad, but it costs too much to fix it!
5. There is warming, and we're all screwed, so every man for himself!

That's a rainbows-and-unicorns fantasy.

No, it could not, not with present levels of CO2 emissions. Not even if you exterminated most of the people on earth and allowed all the forests to return. That's kind of what did happen in the era of Black Death and European diseases depopulating the Americas, and that only dropped CO2 levels by about 10 ppm. We put out 10ppm with fossil fuel burning every 5 years.

Understand that there is no global conspiracy theory. You and a few others been played by your political party. If the whole world disagrees with you, it's extremely likely the whole world is not the one making the error.