Undocumented Immigrants Have Right to Own Guns, Judge Rules

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well, the 14th Amendment does say constitutional rights apply to 'any person' right?

    What do the gun worshippers say about this?

    I know there is a law against it, but the article discusses this point.

    I suspect this will be appealed and SCOTUS will rule on it.


    https://www.newsweek.com/undocumented-immigrants-have-right-own-guns-judge-rules-1880806

    Judge this month dropped gun charges against an illegal migrant in Illinois, sparking further debate about the rights associated with the Second Amendment.

    U.S. District Court Judge Sharon Coleman of the Northern District of Illinois referenced lower court rulings in dismissing firearm possession charges against Heriberto Carbajal-Flores, who was illegally or unlawfully in the United States when he possessed a handgun in the Little Village neighborhood of Chicago on June 1, 2020.
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    Carbajal-Flores was charged under Title 18 of U.S. Criminal Code, which legally disallows undocumented individuals to possess firearms and ammunition "or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce."
     
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    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Just another wacko leftist judge. We are getting used to the banana republic left wingers in our government , so this isnt any real surprise.
     
  3. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Who do you think the 2nd applies to if not everyone here?
     
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    Next thing you know, righties will be prohibiting undocumented immigrants from going to church, assembling and speaking in public, publishing articles in the press, and receiving due process under the law.
     
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    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    American citizens.... duh?
     
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    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    You just described modern progressives, nice!
     
  7. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    I think it’s just a path to another SCOTUS ruling. It’s federally illegal to buy a gun if you are not a citizen. The only way an illegal could possibly attain one is illegally. However, this could lead to quite the interesting case. Because if the federal government can’t restrict gun ownership on citizenship then states likely won’t be able to restrict purchases of guns to out of state citizens. This is currently restricted when it comes to hand guns in many states.

    Personally I am 100% okay with immigrants owning guns.
     
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  8. AmericanNationalist

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    As they are not legally residents of this country(let alone citizens), none of the constitutional rights owed to the citizens goes to a NON-Citizen

    :frustrated::frustrated::frustrated::frustrated: this judge is going to be overturned on appeal. This is the left's version of Cannon.
     
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    So not even legal immigrants like permanent residents?
     
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    They have no rights? So they can be enslaved? Forced to testify against themselves? No right to a trial?
     
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    They're already prohibited from being in the country. Hence, they're called "illegal aliens".

    But, this ruling is a nail in the gun control coffin.
     
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    Is it illegal for me sell my gun to someone? Am I required to check their immigration status?
     
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    Permanent legal residents can already buy a gun.
     
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    So not even green card holders and visa holders? Citizenship has NEVER been required for things like 1st or 2nd Amendment rights in this country. EVER. Duh!
     
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    Hence why we were surprised when he said the right was limited to citizens.
     
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  16. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    And I answered the question.
     
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    Tell it to the guy I responded to, I already know
     
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    Sure you did
     
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    Interesting, I wonder if some states will act on this ruling.
     
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    Surely he didn't have a FOID card. Is the state going to charge him, I wonder?
     
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    In the first place if ICE(Immigration and CUSTOMS) did their job, such questions wouldn't need to be answered. I do think the 14th might apply on a basic humanitarian sense, but not the 2nd amendment. Now we're politely asking Central America: Please invade, you can keep your guns now too.
     
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    Have you read the 14th Amendment?

    If you had you wouldn't be asking that question.

    I'd like to know what Constitution-hating gun grabbers have to say about this - an Obama appointee extending 2A rights to non-citizens.

    Does the gun grabbing apply only to U.S. citizens but not to the Left's prized Undocumented Demokrats?
     
  23. Pro_Line_FL

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    Depends who you ask. Some argue we have "People", and then we have "vermin" and its about 50-50 in US.
     
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    I'm not going to speculate on that until I know more.
     
  25. AmericanNationalist

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    Those are recognized under the 14th amendment. What makes this unique is that illegals are illegals precisely because they are undocumented(ie: They're not in our classification system)
     

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