Unfair to Newt?

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  1. Justin Valuable

    Justin Valuable New Member

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    Paulbots complain that Paul gets unfair treatment from the media and I will agree with that.

    But let's not lose sight of the fact that the media deemed Newt dead back in the summer. He worked himself to the top of the race with his superb debates skills and running and honest campaign. All of this was done without decent media coverage. The only time Newt got good media coverage was when they were showing highlights of Newt hitting homeruns in the debates.

    But since being at the top Newt has been hammered by the main stream media including Fox News! If you guys haven't noticed Newt gets hammered constantly by the likes of Krauthhammer, Rove, the 8PMer and many other pundits. Fox News is in the bag for Romney, it's very clear.

    I have to give Newt credit for climbing the polls without smearing his opponents. Sure he has past baggage but the media and some of his opponents have smeared him in a big way.

    Newt's media coverage has been very unfair.
     
  2. marbro

    marbro New Member

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    Its up to Newt's supporters to bring these things to light and defend their candidate.

    Ron Paul supporters get called Paulbots and other names for doing just that.

    As it is either Newt doesnt have many supporters or they feel he is not worth supporting.

    I support you for saying something about it though. The Media bias is a danger to this country.
     
  3. What is free

    What is free New Member

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    Once you find a Grinch (Gingrich supporter), bring it up to them and see if they care enough to make a statement about it like the "Paulbots".

    I don't see Gingrich being left out of polls and stupid stuff like that. The left is just attacking him because he's a slime ball.
     
  4. MnBillyBoy

    MnBillyBoy New Member

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    I you watch any TV at all.. especially FOX the conservative station ..Newt Gingrich has 4x the coverage and interviews that anybody else has.

    With a 4th place finish in IOWA
    and a 5 th place poll in N.H..

    Newt re invented himself as something he is NOT..
    Hitler before WW2 probably gave great speeches and fired up his base.
    I bet not many would vote for him 10 years later.

    Newt is/was a corrupt politician.
    He is USING the Tea party deal like it was his own..
    SHAME on those who do not study.
     
  5. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is correct.Probably more because guys like Karl Rove seem to use
    their clout to persuade or dissuade those Hosts at Fox from
    liking a candidate or an Issue.As example.Rove went out of his way
    to steer Fox Hosts away from any Birther talk.Especially Sean Hannity.
    From Rove's POV the Obama Birth Certificate issue is only trouble
    for anyone getting into.It's a trap to brand anyone who talks about as
    a Birther and then watch as they get hammered by the Lamestream as being
    a nutbag.Like Orly Taiz.I find that disturbing.I lost most respect for Rove
    over that analysis.Don't forget it was Rove who acted this same way over
    the Tea Party.That they were merely a grassroots phenomena and don't
    hold sway and will probably end up hurting the Republican Brand.
    Don't forget it was ROVE who is Most responsible for Hurting the Republican
    brand.I no longer trust Rove.He's a sneaky insider who takes sides
    based on his Political Bigotry.
    Rove's dislike of Gingrich goes way back and he see's an opportunity to
    spite the Gingrich effort.Rove is a spiteful bug with a pudgy brat face.
     
  6. Cigar

    Cigar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If anyone thinks people have been unfair to Newt, check your history. Carma can be a beach sometime.
     
  7. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Name Newt's Corruption.That oughta keep you busy all morn.
    Cuz there is None.
    Name the Corruption.Just one.Go ahead.Yer so tough.
    Shouldn't be much of a problem.You seem so confident.
     
  8. Face

    Face New Member

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    While I personally like Newt, don't ask unless you already know

    Here
    "Gingrich later went through an ethics probe into his own activities that in January 1997 resulted in him becoming the first speaker to be reprimanded by the House. He was forced to pay a record $300,000 fine for violating tax law and lying about it to the House Ethics Committee."

    I personally think it was BS, but either way, he was under a corruption charge. Much like that of Charlie Rangel.

    Like I said I like Newt, I think he would be a good President. He is sometimes very condesending, but maybe that is why I like him.
     
  9. homerjay_s

    homerjay_s New Member

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    Yeah, sure. Poor Newt Gingrich. It just isn't fair that he got his 15 minutes as a front runner in order to sell books and whore himself out as a "consultant", even though he never had any kind of a chance of winning the nomination let alone the general election.

    Talk about completely out of touch with reality.
     
  10. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was a Democrat Witch-hunt led by David Bonoir who intensely disliked
    Newt for taking away the Democrats Majority in the house.
    Of the 84 ethics charges all but one were dropped.Eventually Newt
    was cleared of the benign sole charge having to do with his acquiring a
    tax exemption for a course he taught.After an IRS investigation the lone
    charge was cleared and Newt Exonerated.However the damage was done
    and the new Republican majority was left with little else but to
    make Newt a scapegoat and ask for his stepping down.Which Republicans
    do w/o going all hysterical,kicking and screaming like little crybaby
    brats or Dimocrats.
     
  11. Face

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    The fact of the matter, he was not the white angel some want him to be. I think he is very smart, and has a command of the issues, better than anyone else on the GOP tickets. He is a love or hate guy. Most of it is because he is pompous. He has moral baggage, and was kicked out by his own party. I think he learned the lesson that the office was bigger than he and not the other way around.
     
  12. Woogs

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    Corruption is the least of his problems. Despite the ethics violations and his Freddie Mac association, the real issues with Newt are his voting record and his Third Wave Futurist philosophy. Whatever Newt 'says', he can't hide from these things and they will sink him again no matter how much money somebody throws into his campaign.
     
  13. homerjay_s

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    You've got your facts incorrect.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/govt/leadership/stories/011897.htm

    He was found guilty of ethics violations and sanctioned by the House ethics committee...controlled by a Republican majority.

    He admitted to wrong doing and formally apologized to the House and the American people.

    He's dirty...why are some so willing to believe that the Democrats are completely an utterly devoid of morals while refusing to consider that the Republicans could be cut from the same cloth?
     
  14. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I need clarification because I know the overview is that Newt is
    awful,terrible a Crook a Liar and a Cheat.
    But name the Ethics charge.What was Newt Guilty of.Because I just explained
    that he was exonerated of ALL 84 ethics charges,the lone charge being
    Investigated by the IRS and finally deemed no law was broken.
    Now,I realize this is a toughie.But give me the actual charge of
    Ethics breach that Newt has to wear to this day on his head like a
    Court jester.I think this is all just a crock.Newt should never have
    stepped down Like Charlie Rangel or even Dollar Bill Jefferson who
    had to go to trial and WAS found guilty.
    Newt stepped down for the benefit of Party.The appearance that all
    those charges couyld never be totally explained away,no matter how trite.
    Name the Ethics charge that Newt should wear around his neck to this day.
    If you can't then you are acting no different than a Lynch Mob.
     
  15. homerjay_s

    homerjay_s New Member

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    He was reprimanded and sanctioned by the House ethics committee and admitted wrong doing. He had to pay $300,000. Are you denying that?
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Reprimanded for what.? Sanctioned for what.?

    See ... You don't even know.You just follow like a good sheep whatever
    the talking pts. are regarding Newt.
    At least admit you don't know the exact charge he was Sanctioned and
    Reprimanded.This is the problem.
    This streaming of Piling on,without a shred of actual knowledge regarding
    an issue.Newt was made to feel embarassed,with silly worthless
    trite charges,just to prove he could be politically Lynched.Which is what
    happened.Newt was made to be the scapegoat for what he accomplished.
    That being knocking down like Humpty Dumpty The Democrats 40 year
    reign of the House.It was pure Political payback,nothing else.
     
  17. homerjay_s

    homerjay_s New Member

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    He set up a non-profit for political purposes and used it to let donors make tax free donations for political purposes. I know the story. What I don't know is why you are so desperate to stick up for such a slime ball.
     
  18. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Newt was charged with using a 20-hour college course called
    " Renewing American Civilization " that he had taught through
    a tax-deductible foundation,Kennesaw State College Foundation.
    This led to allegations of tax improprieties.
    Newt provided Info about the tax exempt college course for political
    purposes that was innacurate.To avoid a full hearing Gingrich along with the
    House Ethics Subcommittee negotiated a sanctions agreement.The house
    did vote to reprimand Gingrich and newt willingly paid the fine
    or " cost assessment " of $300,ooo for expense of the house Investigation.
    The IRS later found that Gingrich broke No laws and cleared him of any
    charges concerning this obvious picayune man hunt of the speaker.
    Your apparent attempt to dramatize this as if some huge,world-shaking
    corruption charge is typical of lefties and the Lamsetream.
    The same Lamstream who apparently wanted to forget all about
    another Congressman who actually Hid $95 K of bribe money in his
    Freezer.

    How typical.
     
  19. Jiyuu-Freedom

    Jiyuu-Freedom Keep the peace Past Donor

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    I happen to watch fox news quite a bit so I know what you mean by Charles and Carl making their digs on Newt and I agree the media has thrown every sharp axe at Newt.

    I am tired of Romney being the darling of the Republican party because he repeatedly says "I know what it's like to be in the private sector and how to create jobs", it's me, me, me.:bored: I was suprised when I guessed that Trump probably isn't going to endorse him as Greta on fox has tried pulling it out of him.

    Newt did climb the polls because he didn't smear his own party in the debates for quite some time but let's be real now, he is doing some of that too. It's expected if you are in a race for this high of office. Sad but true.

    I say, let Jon or Rick S. move up the polls now. Apparently Jon has in New Hampshire the last I heard. I still don't think I want either Romney or Newt to become our next President. They keep telling us it has to be somebody who can beat Obama and I don't see how that's so hard either. Really folks? Just because he has a ton of lobbyists bucks in his pocket?

    The person who does win needs to keep on the subjects of the wasted Stimulus dollars, the debt Obama incurred, and how he was only a lobbyist before he became POTUS. He had no credentials and we know it. I don't think America would choose Newt over Obama to be honest. The old timers know his history in politics and still wonder if he is going to be a consistant conservative.
     
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    Except I am not a "lefties and the lamestream". Nor am I an apologist for any corrupt politician, regardless of party affiliation. You, on the other hand, would not be trying to see Newt Gingrich in the best possible light if he weren't a Republican. Think about that and try to figure out why you are willing to make excuses for those that let you and your ideals down.
     
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    homerjay_s New Member

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    395-28 seems like a bipartisan vote to me.

    Gingrich is dirty. Those that want to make excuses for him only prove the dubiousness of their own credibility.
     

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