Union and ALP escort agency

Are you trying to get me to say something I shouldnt?

Your reply was irrelevant to my post which asked a simple question unrelated to the NSW investigation, which I already answered in another post!

Since you seem stuck on this point of the topic I'll explain it again....Its not illegal to use an organizations money for prostitutes etc, unless your breaking an agreement defined by policy as part of your role or employment and the other party presses charges.

Apparantly the NSW Police came to this conclusion because the HSU didnt have policy saying this type of seemingly fraudulant behaviour was not allowable, NOT that the alleged perp didnt actually use the unions money on prostitutes, hotels etc.

 

I've never listented to Alan Jones once in my life so I dunno what your talking about. In fact I have listened to AM since 1988, and Im assuming he is on the AM band

Refugee status is not means tested. The fact they were genuine refugees is irrelevant to my point. Fact is the wealthy refugees use illegal people smugglers to queue jump over the poorer refugees PLUS it is a avenue for unchecked entry into Australia which has health and security implications.

It would have achieved a much better break into the criminal people smugglers operations. Having them out of work means less organisation which means its harder for it to occur and harder for it to start up.

You have no idea how it works do you? They make their way through various countries hiding from authorities lest they be picked up and processed there, and hide in Indonesia until they can pay a criminal people smuggler to send them to Australia where they then claim their refugee status. Its a deliberate, financed, effort to break several laws PURELY so that they can jump the queue ahead of thousands of other refugees who are rightly sitting in processing camps waiting to enter places like Australia legally. If you want proof just go research the numbers and compare them to the policies, its crystal clear and the ALP made a mess of it... again. So its the wealthy refugees and non-refugees who attempt the over water approach to Australia, whilst the poor and disadvantaged ones are further disadvangted by these criminal refugees who queue jump.

The ALP claims to support the poor end of town yet perhaps they have to be a union member!!! Which obviously the poor, impoverished refugees waiting in camps for legal refugee entry spots which keep getting taken by wealthy criminal refugees, are not able to donate to the ALP union machine. I mean if you cant get pay for your union bosses to have happy endings why should you be able to get into the country.... oh look I'm sounding like a ALP supporter.

The ALP got in power in late 2007 and Iraq was winding down by then. Sri Lanka ended in 2009, and as of 2010, Sri Lanka was one of the fastest growing economies of the world, where its stock exchange was Asia's best performing stock market during 2009 and 2010. Now consider that those same wars were at their height under the Liberal term, and also their were additional wars as well and it really adds even more meaning to the huge difference in numbers of arrivals when linked to which policies were in place. Numbers dont lie and spin, unlike the ALP/union mug brigades trash which seems to exist for some reason in popular Australian culture. Oh thats right they claim to represent the interests of the workers, that explains why manufacturing is going so well. No pay increases guys if your out of work. I think unions had a purpose and were important in social development but their inefficiencies are no longer needed to achieve the same capabilities they offer IMO.

 

You have already been shown that that is complete nonsense."

Why do you make crap up like this?

 

You wrote:
these people are leaving from safe locations where they could live happily and safely, free from their original hardship and persecution

If hese people are leaving from safe locations where they could live happily and safely, free from their original hardship and persecution - why are the vast majority granted refugee status?

You told a lie didn't

Please apologise to the forum.

These people are NOT leaving from safe locations where they could live happily and safely, free from their original hardship and persecution. If they were - they would not be refugees.

You told a lie.

 

Yes - I suppose everything would be considered irrelevant to your post, since your post was relevant to nothing in the first place. It was just the pathetic moaning of a party that cannot accept the fact they are losers.

The NSW police said in a statement the fraud squad had found no evidence of any offence under NSW law. You really need to find something else to whinge about.

 

So why did you claim that "the ALP is so hopeless at running the country" - but can't explain why.

It certainly sounds like you are parrotting The Parrot. That is exactly the sort of imbecilic thing he says. And that the imbeciles that listen to him repeat.

Why do you make these statements you cannot support?
Why did you lie about people who have been granted refugee status?

Do you think this sort of dishonesty is impressing anyone?

 

I already answered both questions at least once!!!!

Your excuse to the first one was something along the lines of 'oh those old things' as if that countered my point in anyway - newsflash - it didnt and in fact your acceptance of them is support of my point.

Your second question, well I'll try for what I think is the 3rd time to explain a really simple reality of the situation to you - even though they were actual refugees they still queue jumped by using money to pay criminals. They queue jumped over poorer refugees who are doing the right thing in refugee camps. So supporting illegal boat arrivals is supporting the rich people who are fleeing a location which fits the description for refugee status, while the poor and more genuinely desperate people who cannot afford global travel to reach indonesia and then paying people smugglers to boat them to Australia - well they languish as their spots are taken by the rich refugees. Doesnt Australia only take a certain amount of refugees each year, and doesnt that then mean that you, the ALP and the Greens therefore support policy directions which are effectively accept the rich and stuff the poor!?

Quite simply if your a rich refugee who can afford to reach Indonesia and hide there while you wait for your criminal people smuggler to organize a boat - then IMO you stop being a genuine refugee because you've already escaped where you come from. Those refugee spots in Australia should instead be kept purely for the genuine refugees who cannot escape those terrible places. But no no the ALP and the Green's are too weak and pathetic to do the right thing and instead are happy to sell a lie to the impressionable and empassionate sheep who follow them.

On other news, despite your inability to understand how Police investige things bugalugs, the NSW Police have now decided to setup a strikeforce specifically to look into the HSU and hopefully other unions too.

 

No - you have only given us your (or Alan Jones') opinion.

I have shown evidence to support my argument.
http://www.politicalforum.com/4428323-post18.html

You have given us nothing except Abbottisms.

 

Yes - they were refugees. And we have a legal obligation to give them protection.

Doesn't it feel good to admit your mistakes?

Oh...another one of these "opinions" of yours! I'll take that as a comment.

Meanwhile - why don't you look up what Australia's legal obligations to refugees are.

 

Thats the reason they have to pay illegal people smugglers to travel half way around the world to reach our shores, and usually live in hiding in those countries for weeks and months in between illegal passages.... all before finally smuggling their way into our borders and then and only then claiming refugee status. They should more correctly/legally be claiming refugee status in the nearest safe country such as Pakistan, India, Thailand, Malaysia or Indonesia et al.

You continue to avoid the truth and the best you can do is invent some continual personal slight against me = lame, though its to be expected if you support the Australian Lamer Party.

 

So you appear to agree with Labor's Malaysian Solution. Where these "queue jumpers" as you call them are returned to where they came from and a much larger number of the "poorer refugees" are brought to Australia.

Fair enough - at least it is a far better solution than just sending people to Nauru for a few years at enormous expense and then bringing them to Australia anyway.

Personally - I see refugees as refugees. They are not criminals and should not be treated as such.

 

Yes - Pakistan, India, Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia.

None of which are parties to the UN Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees.

So - you appear to be completely and utterly wrong. Making things up and telling silly little lies.

How exactly does one claim refugee status in a country that does not recognise refugees? You told us:
these people are leaving from safe locations where they could live happily and safely, free from their original hardship and persecution
You were lying, weren't you.


Australia has this legal obligation:

"A person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.."

Pakistan, India, Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia do not

I continue to avoid the "truth"?!?!?!

That is pretty funny coming from someone that wrote:

these people are leaving from safe locations where they could live happily and safely, free from their original hardship and persecution

If this were the case they would not be refugees.

You need to apologise for telling lies.