Unlike the President, most Americans know NFL kneelers aren't protesting the flag

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    The majority of Americans side with Trump on this issue my friend. That's why sales, favor, and ratings have dropped
     
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    Over time you will realize that is his standard tactic.
     
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    I didn't give an answer to everyone, I gave it to you; now move on to the next question; Like do I give a crap ... ?
     
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    How to Protest Without Offending White People

    Many people were surprised when President Donald Trump suggested that NFL team owners fire players who quietly choose to sit out the national anthem before games, but I was not one of them.

    Even though they thought they’d solved the anthem problem by blackballing protest starter Colin Kaepernick, the residual insolence displayed by the players roiled white people to no end because their protest was so disrespectful—not to a 250-year-old cloth logo or a Francis Scott Key bar song. Taking a knee is disrespectful to whiteness. It is not that white people can’t understand Kaepernick’s point of view; it’s that—to them—any other point of view is nonexistent.

    For future reference, we have put together this handy-dandy checklist for designing a protest that white people will find inoffensive and respectable.
    http://www.theroot.com/how-to-protest-without-offending-white-people-1818770022 . . .
     
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    In other words, do exactly what you are doing...right?

    From the sanctity and security of your anonymous internet persona you are issuing threats and challenges you will never have to back up face to face. It takes a big man to challenge others when he knows he will never have to make good his threats and accusations.
    How precious! Impugning the manhood of others while you hide safely away behind your little keyboard.
     
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    A minority siding with Trump would also result in those numbers dropping.
     
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    you just revealed yourself to be a racist. typical of the left. whether you care is irrelevant.
     
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    I'm within 8 minutes of these coordinates ... 41.7508° N, 88.1535° W

    Want a Beer?
     
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    No doubt you'll continue to perpetuate racism until your dying days.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/19/nfl-ratings-decline-owners-players-meeting-mmqb
    NEW YORK – “If we are disrespecting the flag, then we won’t play. Period.”

    Those words from Jerry Jones on Oct. 8 were widely taken as a salvo delivered from an owner to all the players using the national anthem as a platform for protest.

    But as I see it, that was no declaration of war on guys kneeling. I don’t think the Cowboys boss was even talking to players. My feeling: he was talking through the players, and hoping his message would land in living rooms from El Paso to Wichita Falls.

    And to explain why, I’ll give you the three words that should serve as your guidepost in explaining almost everything NFL: Follow the money.

    The Cowboys need those people in West Texas and on the Oklahoma border to watch. The NFL needs those people tune in too. And the proof came in the ratings not that you read about this week, but rather the ones that were privately presented to the owners over the league’s two-day meetings in lower Manhattan.

    The focus Tuesday and Wednesday was on the players’ desire to have a stage to address social causes, and the associated protests during the anthem that resulted. But in the background loomed the reality that the discord of the past few weeks wasn’t good for anyone’s bottom line, and the ratings might just be the first proof.

    “There’s no question this had an impact on the business,” said Giants owner John Mara. “But this is an important social issue. And sometimes you have to put the interests of the business behind the interest of issues that are more important than that.”

    It’s an admirable thought. It’s also not exactly the NFL’s endgame here.

    In this week’s Game Plan, we’ll look at the fit in Arizona for Adrian Peterson; Brett Hundley’s past and future in Green Bay; what’s ahead for the Jets; and the players finding an arena where they can be partners with the owners.

    But we’re starting with the NFL’s ratings issue and how the protests during the national anthem have played into it. And there’s a nice jumping off point here in the numbers that were presented to the general assembly in Manhattan this week, and that The MMQB obtained. You may have already seen the figures from Nielsen that show an overall decline of 7.5 percent in total viewership, comparing this year’s ratings to last year’s, which the NFL believed were down from 2015 because of the election.

    What you didn’t see is consistency in how the numbers sunk across the board, something the owners showed concern over inside those meetings rooms. Consider these:

    • There are six time-related viewing windows the NFL measures every week. Through six weeks, the NFL’s ratings were down in 20 of 36 windows.

    • The NFL’s average household rating is currently 25.1, down from 26.9 over the same period last year, and the 28.1-28.7 range where it sat from 2013-15.

    • Twenty-five of 31 teams (excluding the Chargers, because of the move) are drawing lower local numbers than they did in 2016. Nineteen have dropped 5 percent or more, including brand name teams like the Cowboys (7% drop), Patriots (8%) and Steelers (6%), and both New York clubs (the Giants are down 7%, the Jets are down 37%). Conversely, only three teams (Chiefs, Bucs, Lions) have improved by more than 5 percent.

    • Digital streaming numbers are improving, but not at the rate that TV numbers are falling. ESPN counts the stream crowd as 3 percent of its viewership of Monday Night Football, which is the best of all the game-carrying networks.

    Now, it’s also important to understand that TV ratings across the board—not just sports—are dropping for a large number of reasons, mostly related to technology, the amount of options people have, and cord cutting.

    In fact, one team executive looked at the numbers, and actually didn’t see them as all bad. He said, “I took away that compared to TV, the NFL is actually stronger year over year, compared to other programming. But the league does need to better understand how change in habits will affect ratings long-term.”

    That said, this is an NFL that has grown used to having everything it touches land on a permanent upward trajectory in both profitability and popularity, so seeing any sort of decline is jarring to some of the guys in that room. And one of those people is Jones, who is nothing if not a master at understanding how to monetize anything you could possibly put in front of him.


    That’s why when Jones spoke to his own players eight days ago, in the wake of what he said Oct. 8, his message was clear. We’re partners, and over 90 percent of our audience will never set foot in the stadiums you play, and we have to be cognizant of how easy it is for any of them to tune you out, and work to address your causes without burning the business.

    Again, no one is claiming that fights with the White House’s social media wing and players kneeling during the anthem are even close to the only reasons for the professional football model being shaken up a bit. But the fact is, that model has been shaken up a bit, and the league doesn’t sit on its hands waiting for situations like this to steady themselves.

    Continuing the discussion on ratings and being proactive in finding answers won’t solve the league’s problems. But as Jones, and others see it, it certainly wouldn’t hurt.
     
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    I'm sorry, where you offended ?
     
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    I find it ironic that a multimillionaire drops to his knee in protest, no not over things he endures though, and Democrats support the multimillionaire. I find it rich in irony.
     
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    if black people didn't respond to slights with violence like cigar says they do, then they would be far less likely to get shot by police.
     
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    I am nowhere near there nor do I want anything to do with a repugnant clown who fancies himself a tough guy.
    Why not start a thread where you challenge anyone available to fight with you? Or keep insulting others because you know
    you are safe at home. It all amounts to the same.
     
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    I didn't say a thing about not drinking beer.
     
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    Good, maybe if they get low enough I'll start buying season tickets again.
     
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    Umm no. No they don't. Some Americans do but certainly not the majority. Nowhere close to the majority. In fact you whiny snowflakes are in vast minority.
     
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    Chicago is notorious for black-on-black murders.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ence-first-six-months-met-20170630-story.html
    President Donald Trump on Friday took to social media again to criticize the city's violence, as Chicago police held a news conference to highlight a new task force formed last month with federal forces to help combat violence.

    Though far from ranking as the nation's murder capital on a per-capita basis, Chicago continues to be the runaway leader in sheer volume of killings and shootings. Chicago had 50 more homicides than New York and Los Angeles combined through mid-June, even though it is far less populous than both....


    ....Experts say a complex mix of factors drives the violence. Much of the bloodshed can be linked to gang conflicts over everything from petty disputes to control of drug dealing, as well as the splintering of gangs into smaller cliques fighting over a few blocks at a time.

    Police cite the flow of illegal firearms into the streets and gang disputes that erupt over social media platforms.

    Yet there are deeper societal problems at play as well, including long histories of poverty, joblessness, segregation and neglect in pockets of the South and West sides....
     
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    Goodell has abdicated the welfare of the league to a vocal minority of players and he has already done great damage to his product.
    His latest pronouncements demonstrate he hasn't nearly read the signals all around him and he's still trying to have things both ways.

    He wants to hold onto fans that don't want the national anthem used for their (the protestors) political purposes and he wants to placate
    and pander to the protestors. It won't ever happen. It can't happen.
     
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    If you say so, I don't live near Chicago, that's why I'm not buying Beers there.
     
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    The concept of "Patriotism" has been stolen from us

    White supremacists, led by an orange topped madman, have hijacked the very idea of patriotism. To them, the only patriotism that exists is the second amendment.

    So far they've gotten away with it. They fantasize about a return to an America that existed before the Civil War. Sounds crazy, but look at their "heroes." To put it bluntly, slavery is just fine with them.

    Most of us know better. Most of us know the meaning of patriotism. And a group of ignorant, despicable rabble have stolen the word and are using it to murder American democracy.

    They will be stopped. But who's going to do it? And when? Me ... every chance I Vote, every change I get face to face with these cowards.
     

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