US Army Makes Playing Cards with Iran's weapons on them

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

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    The United States, and other free countries, don't have dress codes. You didn't know that?
     
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    Nope, McDonalds ad Coca Cola is just the most visible form of it.

    The USA are a dieing empire though and that can be seen on its rather unsucessful attempts to bully former vasalls.
     
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    It's not so much the Bofor 57 MM gun that is so special but the projectiles it fires in particular the fuses.

    Using a VT fuse (proximity fuse) for an airburst over water has been perfected.

    FUZE 3P Ammunition
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    220 rounds per minute

     
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    Oh really? That means one can walk naked in one of your cities? Interesting.
     
  5. Iranian Monitor

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    I have given accounts of how war with Iran would go, including from the following sources:
    1- An admiral who was the former vice chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, along with a former CIA director, both privy to all the war games and assessments by the US military on the subject: The frightening Reality of War with Iran
    2- The chair of Maritime Strategy at the US Naval War College: The Iran-US Naval War of 2019: How It Could Look Like
    3- The views of America's top military experts speaking to America's Military Times: What War with Iran Could Look Like

    But since you guys like propaganda shows instead, lets at least show something a little bit realistic and fun to watch. The clip below is from an animation movie made in Iran.
     
  6. Fred C Dobbs

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    You can see the visible forms, with the lineups at Mcdonalds, but the invisible forms of Yankee imperialism elude you.

    You should be concerned about Greek and Chinese imperialism also. https://www.thelocal.de/20171017/will-the-german-love-affair-with-the-gourmet-burger-ever-end
     
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    The U.S.Navy mission isn't providing the air defense for the CONUS, that's the job of the state Air National Guard.

    Yes, the Democrats and the Clinton administration went overboard downsizing the military and especially the Air National Guard.

    But on 9-11-01 on the west coast because of over downsizing the ANG it was the U.S. Navy who had to provide an Air Combat Patrol (CAP) over the west coast.

    On the morning of 9/11 in less than 12 hours the U.S. Navy was able to put a carrier to sea that was tied up to the dock on North Island NAS, San Diego and fly it's entire air wing from Nevada and Northern California out to the carrier and establish a CAP over Southern California.
     
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    Yes, that right. In fact, when weather permits, everyone in the democracies outside Germany walks around naked. You didn't know that?
     
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    No actually you dont know your own countries laws. In USA you get arrested for walking naked.
     
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    No, I didn't know that either. I thought you weren't allowed to walk into the public streets showing your breasts if you are a woman or your private parts for both sexes and need to cover them. I thought you would need to comply with various dress codes depending on where you were going: some places, just shoes and t-shirt and the like is enough. Others have other requirements. Some may even require black ties and the like.

    There is also something called respect and decency. It is in poor taste to go in the middle of a synagogue wearing a Nazi outfit! Or to go to a black church in with a white hood!

    What people choose to wear depends on a host of things. While I would prefer the law to be as un-intrusive on the issue as possible, ultimately one reason you have a "dress code" in Iran to begin with were efforts going back under Reza Shah to force Iranians to adopt western garb. The same thing that Ataturk did in Turkey. It is one thing to deny a growing minority the right and comfort of choosing to advertise the fashions in vogue in foreign lands (which I still don't support), but it is entirely worse when you wake one day and discover that a society is being told wholesale to be something and someone else!

    Dress codes exist all over the place, depending on where you are going. The best authority to administer the contours and regulations applicable to it is the one that is immediately responsible for the place you are going to. If you are going into the public, the municipality needs to come up with a "dress code" that is as permissive as possible for the different tastes and fashions in society without being unduly offensive to the majority. If you are going to a private place, the owners of that place need to decide what you should wear. But the idea that you don't have dress codes is absurd.
     
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    Oh Really? You learn something new every day.
     
  12. Iranian Monitor

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    I am sorry if I am left totally unimpressed. In fact, I find the idea silly! Unless you are planning to have a "swarm" of such smaller craft, they will be easy picking for Iran's coastal defenses and anti-ship missiles. The same with your warhogs.

    And that is leaving aside articles such as this one:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-navy-littoral-combat-ship-problems-2018-4
    The US Navy basically admitted that the Littoral Combat Ship looks like a massive failure
     
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    All President Trump has to do is reactivate one of our museums and send it to the Persian Gulf.
    Iran would be in a world of ****.
    So would the Chi-Coms and Russia.

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  14. Iranian Monitor

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    Do you know of these weapons, which are designed to take out even bigger targets than the museum pieces you have in mind.
    https://www.armyrecognition.com/aug...nd_sea_attack_missile_called_fateh_mobin.html
    Iran unveils a new ground and sea attack missile called Fateh Mobin
    August 2018 Global Defense Security army news industry
    POSTED ON TUESDAY, 14 AUGUST 2018 08:05


    Before the Fateh Mobin, there was also the Hormuz anti ship ballistic missile, designed to take out aircraft carriers. And also, before the Hormuz, the Khalij Fars anti ship ballistic missile.

    This video is of the older generation, Khalij Fars anti-ship ballistic missile. For the purposes of this discussion, what it shows is sufficient.
     
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    The Iowa is weaker than Bismarck or Tirpitz, just to understand what you mean, you think if we send the Bismarck there we could beat Iran with a 70 year old german ship design?
     
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    Iowa class battleships always carried cans of grey paint encase they were ever hit by an anti ship missile.

    The only way you can sink an Iowa class BB is by breaking its keel.That would probably take a dozen torpedoes detonating below its keel.
    That's why when President Reagan activated the four Iowa's the Soviet Union whined and complained because they had no weapons platform that could sink an Iowa.

    The armor plating does seem kinda thick doesn't it ?
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    https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/iowa-class-battleships-had-vault-like-conning-towers-bu-1737002503
     
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    The british blasted the Bismarck for hours and were not able to breach her plating. In the end the Bismarck sunk herself so she doesnt fall into enemy hands. When James Cameron dived to the wreck he found not a single hole in her plating. The places where she got hit were visible because dents appeared on the surface though.
     
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    You are welcome to bring them back, but I don't think you will like what you learn if they are actually used in battle.

    https://thenavalist.com/home/should-president-trump-bring-back-the-battleship
    Should President Trump Bring Back the Battleship?
     
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    In its day the Bismark may have been the most powerful warship afloat and it wasn't the British who sank the Bismarck but the Germans, they scuttled the Bismarck. SOP with most navies.

    But what made the Iowa class battleships different from all other battleships was the Iowa's armor.

     
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    Besides our anti-ship missiles, we also have some of the best torpedoes in the world. Indeed, only Russia might have a torpedo as fast and effective as Iran's Hoot Torpedo.

    https://www.newsweek.com/iran-military-advanced-torpedo-russia-fastest-606096
    IRAN'S MILITARY FIRES ADVANCED TORPEDO BASED ON RUSSIA'S FASTEST IN THE WORLD
     
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    I don't know who these "Navalist" are but since WW ll the Iowa class battleships have been classified as Naval Shore Fire Support Ships.

    Their primary mission is providing naval gunfire support for U.S. Marines.
    Second mission is shore bombardment.
    During the 1980's they filled the carrier gap for the U.S. Navy.
    In just one hour an Iowa class battleship can put more tons of ordnance on target than an entire Nimitz class aircraft carrier air wing can in 24 hours.

    But what makes the Iowa class battleship the most feared weapons platform in the world is its 16" guns.

     
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    The issue wasn't about the firepower of the Iowa class battleships, but their vulnerability in modern naval warfare. And you won't find a more informed source than the one I posted for you on this subject.
     
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    Before the 1960's or so warships were designed to take hits and keep afloat and keep on fighting.

    Where the U.S. Navy has prevailed is in battle damage control procedures.

    Some say that a Nimitz class carrier is to large to sink.

    American warships are built consisting as separate watertight compartments.

    Should be noted the USS Thach below had no crew and it's close weapons systems were not operating but also it's ammunition magazines and fuel bunkers were empty.


    THACH SINKEX:

    The decommissioned THACH was sunk as a target during exercise RIMPAC 2016 off the Hawaiian Islands. The sinking took place on July 14, 2016, 55 nautical miles north of the island of Kauai. The THACH took an amazing number of hits before she finally sunk at 07.25pm local time. She now rests 15,000 feet deep in the Pacific Ocean. According to the US Navy, the following munitions were used against the guided missile frigate: one UTM-84 sub-launched Harpoon missile fired by a South Korean submarine, one RTM-84 ship-launched Harpoon missile fired from HMAS Ballarat, AGM-114 Hellfire missiles fired by an Australian SH-60S helicopter, an AGM-65 Maverick and an AGM-84 fired by US maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft, one RGM-84 ship-launched Harpoon missile from the USS PRINCETON (CG 59), an AGM-114 Hellfire missile fired by a US Navy SH-60S helicopter, a Mk-84 bomb fired from a US Navy F/A-18, a GBU-12 Paveway laser-guided bomb dropped from a US Air Force B-52 bomber and finally a Mk-48 advanced torpedo fired from a US Navy attack submarine.

    https://www.navysite.de/ffg/FFG43.HTM

     
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    The battleship is not coming back - and certainly not for a war with Iran.

    For now, what the US is banking on is the firepower of the USS Abraham Lincoln. Not that the aircraft carrier is anywhere near Iran! But that is because the US realizes that any warship close to Iran will be more a target than a threat.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/23/us/politics/warship-iran.html
    This U.S. Warship Threatens Iran (From 600 Miles Away)

     
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    actually it is, your nonsensical justification notwithstanding.
     

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