US soldiers committing more sex crimes

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  1. Uncle Meat

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    "Violent sex crimes committed by active US Army soldiers have almost doubled over the past five years, due partly to the trauma of war, according to an Army report released today.

    "Reported violent sex crimes increased by 90 per cent over the five-year period from 2006 to 2011.

    "There were 2,811 violent felonies in 2011, nearly half of which were violent felony sex crimes. Most were committed in the United States."

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-20/us-soldiers-committing-more-sex-crimes/3784742

    Disgusting behaviour, but no big surprise.

    Australian soldiers aren't much better:

    "Murder, rape and drugs in latest Australian Defence documents"

    "FOR the second time in a week the Defence Department was rocked by documents outlining criminal behaviour in the ranks including murder, child pornography, underage sex, rape, assault, bribery and illicit drugs."

    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/mur...ts/story-e6frfkvr-1226249706182#ixzz1jz9v4zNt

    And they wonder why people have such little respect for them.
     
  2. big daryle

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    These completely unnecessary wars have turned these men into savages. I would not want to be the wife or child of one of these men, they can expect to be beaten regularly.
     
  3. Mushroom

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    Well, I have been married to my wife for 26 years now, and have not struck her once.

    So how about the two of you kindly take your discriminating and disgusting coprolite and shove it.
     
  4. IgnoranceisBliss

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    Do we have comparisons to civilain populations? 2k isn't a whole lot for a military that has more than 1 million people in it.
     
  5. Uncle Meat

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    Yep, not a bad point.
     
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    Why can they expect that? Are there statistics to back that up?
     
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    Please see OP.
     
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    Well if they got the help and care they needed when they came home, they wouldn't do things to their families.
     
  9. Uncle Meat

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    So, it's someone else's fault is it?

    Hmmm, it always seems to be someone else's fault.

    About time these thugs took some responsibility for their own actions.
     
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    OK, now kindly give us the comparison of a similar civilian sexual assault rate.

    There are just under 1.5 million US military personnel. 2,811 from a group of almost 1.5 million is probably pretty close to that of the regular civilian population.

    Give us statistics please, don't try to avoid answering.
     
  11. Uncle Meat

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    Nope. This is about soldiers.

    Do your own research if you want to know about civilians.

    I'll take your word for it. Do you have a point?

    Nope. I'm not interested in answering. This thread is about soldiers (not sure how you missed that).
     
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    I looked it up. 213,000 violent sex crimes in the US for 307 million population, comes to 69 per 100,000.

    For the military, 2811 per 1.5 million is 187 per 100,000, about 2.7 times the total population rate.

    The military with its stricter monitoring is probably more accurate but the civilian number is probably low, a lot of sex crimes are not reported.

    Comparing to the general population isnt accurate anyway. Its apples to oranges. More accurate is to compare military back from combat with high stress jobs, maybe police in high crime areas, but even that won't compare well I think to a tour in most areas of Iraq or Afghan.

    I say given what soldiers go through its a testament to their training and character that its as low as 2,811. My guess is that it was a much bigger problem for the Vietnam vets given the "welcome home" many of them received.
     
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    The onous is on you. You posted a statistic and implied that Soldiers are more likely to commit sexual assault. Just giving us a gross number without any context is completely worthless. Compare your numbers to the civilain population (same age range) and lets compare. The OP is intellectually dishonest.
     
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    Also consider that the military population consists mostly of healthy males aged 18-42 (skewed mostly to males 18-25); The demographic that is MOST likely to commit sexual crimes. The gross national number is deflated by elderly people, women, children, and the disabled.
     
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    You also have to consider the army has increased in size by 20% since 2006. The propagandized figure the OP wishes to catch your attention with is 80%. This number does not take in to account all the factors that have contributed to this higher number, such as more training, more reporting and stricter enforcement of the UCMJ. Add to this, a larger force, and you will get higher numbers.
     
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    No, this is about your wanting to attack soldiers, and not look at anything else but attacking soldiers.
     
  17. Uncle Meat

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    I neither implied nor stated any such thing.

    Let's just stick to the facts, shall we?
     
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    Facts out of context cannot lead to any kind of assertion. You posted facts out of context then implied an assertion.
     
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    Returning veterans want to be around others who understand what they've gone through. Part of the issue is the sense of isolation transitioning back to civilian life. 1.5 million out of a nation of 310 million have borne the brunt of the decade old conflicts...that's a small percentage and it seems the microscope is always on us.
    Add to this a poor economy and the resulting stressors lead to aberrant behavior. None of this, of course, excuses criminal behavior...but for civilians to point the finger and indict the whole rather than the few actually involved in these anti-social behaviors...I don't believe that to be above board.
     
  20. Colonel K

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    It appears that a woman serving in Iraq is more likely to be raped by a fellow soldier than shot by the enemy. THERE'S a sorry statistic.

    " ...Rape within the US military has become so widespread that it is estimated that a female soldier in Iraq is more likely to be attacked by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire. So great is the issue that a group of veterans are suing the Pentagon to force reform. The lawsuit, which includes three men and 25 women (the suit initially involved 17 plaintiffs but grew to 28) who claim to have been subjected to sexual assaults while serving in the armed forces, blames former defence secretaries Donald Rumsfeld and Robert Gates for a culture of punishment against the women and men who report sex crimes and a failure to prosecute the offenders... "

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/dec/09/rape-us-military
     
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    Incorrect. I did not post facts out of context: you took them out of context.

    The story is a comparison between soldiers now and then: not a comparison between soldiers and civilians.

    " ... violent sex crimes increased by 90 per cent over the five-year period from 2006 to 2011 ... "

    Thus, the headline "US soldiers committing more sex crimes": more than before, not more than civilians.
     
  22. IgnoranceisBliss

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    That's an extremely disingenuous statistic.

    Only 68 females were killed by hostile fire in the Iraq war. Only 25 of those were "shot" (small arms, indirect fire, RPGs). More than 225,000 women served in the conflict. That means 11 per 100,000 women that served in Iraq were actually shot.

    The U.S. deathrate for females ages 18-49 is between 90 and 200 per 100,000, depending on the year. The death rate of females who served in Iraq (115 hostile+nonhostile deaths) was roughly 50 per 100,000. Women were more likely to be killed in the U.S. than they were to be killed in Iraq, and women were MUCH more likely to be killed in the U.S. than shot in Iraq.

    In 2006, 232,960 women were the victims of sexual assault. Based on roughly 150 million females in the country, thats a sexual assault rate of 155 per 100,000; Thats more than 3 times the death rate of women in Iraq, and more than 14 times the rate at which women were shot at and killed in Iraq. So civilain women were more than 14 times as likely to be sexually assaulted in the U.S. than U.S. military women were to be shot in Iraq.


    Your statistic is a joke and a perfect example of how disingenuous and irresponsible modern media has become. The author, Linda Broadbent, is a complete disgrace to journalism.

    http://www.now.org/issues/violence/stats.html

    http://icasualties.org/Iraq/Fatalities.aspx
     
  23. Mushroom

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    Actually, you should re-read the original source.

    It does not say rape, it says "sexual assault and rape". These are not the same things. Both are wrong, but classifying them all as "rape" is simply sensationalizing the statistics for political or slander purposes.

    And FYI, if I brush against a person by accident, that in the military can be reported as a "sexual assault". And this is also covering all reports of such assaults and rapes, if they happened or not.

    And yea, there are false reports. I know of 2 of them myself during the last 5 years. One was a gal who was on her way out, and thought that reporting her First Sergeant of raping her might help get her out of trouble. To bad for her he was at a meeting at the time she claimed it happened. She was simply thrown out with no other actions taken.

    The next was a gal who accused her married lover of raping her. She was a "GF of convience" before his wife moved out here to Texas from Germany. Once she found out he was dumping her and going back to his wife, she charged him with rape.

    The rape was proved to have not happened, and she did eventually recant her story the week before he was supposed to have his trial. Charges of rape against him were dropped, but he was charged for adultry. His accuser was tried for making false statements and is currently awaiting her discharge.

    Also there have been cases of women overseas claiming rape when they turn up pregnant downrange. Since having sex of any kind in the combat theatre is against regulations, women that become pregnant can be charged with violating lawfull orders. But claim that you were raped and did not report it (and do not know your attacker), then you can't be charged with anything. I know of that happening 2 times when I was on deployment.

    I am not saying that rapes do not happen, but you are looking at reporting statistics when viewing this, and nothing even close to conviction statistics.
     
  24. Mushroom

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    Well, people that love to attack the military also love to twist or ignore statistics that they do not like.

    To see this, look to the town directly South of where I live. Known by many as the deadliest town in the world, it's annual death rate makes Baghdad look like a safe haven.

    Yet the *******s still could not shut up about how deadly the war was. Never mind that the death rate of a town in Mexico is many times that of a city in the middle of a war zone.
     
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    Weasel words and semantic terpsichory doesn't remove the rapists from service, or prevent injury to female troops from their own side. THAT'S friendly fire we could all do without, and they don't need defending in any way shape or form.
     

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