USA vs RUSSIA / M-1 Abrams vs T-90

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  1. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

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    Too good. But like I said, Russia has a pretty good track record in recent history.
     
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    the rocky relationship is because history teaches us Russia needs a psycho to be the dictator.
     
  3. Fallen

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    The sections has nothing to do with it?
     
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    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right. State Run media is the truth :)
     
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    Now THAT is funny! :roflol:

    Good job I say!
     
  6. Fallen

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    rewrite for making sense
     
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  9. Fallen

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    Which part? Are you being an Ad Hominem? Or a grammar natzi? Got your panties in a bunch because I left out "do" and used "has" instead of "have"?

    Get a life

    Ad Hominem will be an Ad Hominem


    When ever I see you I write especially bad for you just to get you paties in buches.


    People like you make me laugh.
     
  10. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

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    Cool dat meens tat dere iz no reeson fr tis wecite sience evybody can use goooooggggllleee
     
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    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you remember the fifties, sixties, seventies.
    Today's "investigative journalism" is by those who don't want to loose their front row seat
    in the gov't press room because
    they printed something unflattering, or even honest. True? Absolutely!
    It is the same as State Run Media! Witness the product.
    Where is the Hard Ball Investigative Journalism? Edward R. Morrow style?
    :lol: it's on Al Jazeera and RT too.
    Before you oppose this statement check out one of their Morrowesque programs.
    Not the news. Nor editorial program. One of their 30 - 60 minutes examination of this or that.




    Moi :oldman:
    Remembers.


    r > g


    No :flagcanada:
     
  12. Fallen

    Fallen Well-Known Member

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    Why is he a psycho? Did he destabilize 2 countries and made them terrorist havens? Is he funding neo natzis in Ukraine? Is he supplying weapons to terrorist?

    I'm curious as to why you think he's a psycho. Is it because western media says he is?
     
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    I dont disagree with you about Iraq but your sleight of hand doesnt change anything. I would point primarily at him turning Russia into kleptocracy. I will also point to the various macho poses, very juvenile.
     
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    That's 'cause it's still buried in Boehner...

    - - - Updated - - -

    Luxury home in Afghanistan - the new gold standard for "oxymoron..." :roflol:
     
  16. Fallen

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    :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    This is the funniest post of the day. Good job man
     
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    Chechnya... Ukraine...
     
  18. Fallen

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    Is US a bunch of psychos because they invaded Iraq?

    There were alot of terrorists in Chechnya.


    And ukraine..let's talk about ukraine

    They had a military co led by neo natzis. Ukrainian people rebeled.

    Crimea had a DEMOCRATIC vote and THEY THEMSELVES, decided to join russia.

    But instead of supporting the wishes of the people and democracy, America chose to not only back, but also fund those neo natzis.

    So Putin is a psycho for taking Crimea in?

    Russia has only fought 2 wars in recent history. Chechnya and Chechnya.

    How many wars did america fight? How many countries did it bomb and destroy?

    Now tell me who the psycho is?
     
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    First of all, it's Nazi not Natzi.
    Second, that is russian propaganda not the reality.
    Third, the crimean vote was taken at gun point with oposition party totally suppressed by the russian army.
    Fourth, russia created the chechen terrorist when they carpet bombed whole cities to suppress the independantist movement.
    Fifth, You also forgot Georgia, Ukraine and Syria, so that is five wars and all of them were botched jobs.
    Six, The whole world is insane. It always was and will ever be. Human have only themselves as predator. For some to live some have to die.
     
  22. Fallen

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    It's naTzi to me

    Someone is clueless on current events

    Ukraine’s Interpol-wanted leader of extremist group Right Sector, Dmitry Yarosh, has been appointed as an adviser to the country’s Chief of General Staff

    ...you know what, I won't even bother. Google "neo natzi in Ukraine" you'll find everything you need. Some people are grossly misinformed. This is common sense by now.

    Stop lying through your teeth. Or are you that ignorant

    Crimean status referendum, 2014 was a referendum on the status of Crimea held on March 16, 2014, by the legislature of Autonomous Republic of Crimea as well as by the local government of Sevastopol, both subdivisions of Ukraine at the time. The referendum asked the people of Crimea whether they wanted to join Russia as a federal subject, or if they wanted to restore the 1992 Crimean constitution and Crimea's status as a part of Ukraine.

    The available choices did not include keeping the status quo of Crimea and Sevastopol as they were at the time the referendum was held. The 1992 constitution accords greater powers to the Crimean parliament including full sovereign powers to establish relations with other states, therefore many commentators argued that both provided referendum choices would result in de facto separation from Ukraine.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_status_referendum,_2014

    Gun point? What will people come up with next. Prove it.

    We have already established that there WAS a military neo natzi co.

    You are either ignorant, a liar, or both

    Similar to the way america created ISIS? That's cool

    It has been proven that Sakashvoli started an ethnic cleaning in an attempt to take south Ossetia back. Russia went and stopped them. This skirmish wich lasted ONLY few day can be hardly consider a war. Ukraine was not a war. But judging by your previous post, well I can't blame you for being retarded


    Cool
     
  23. Herkdriver

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    The tank battle on February 26, 1991, around a gridline on a military map known as "73 Easting" is regarded as probably the 3rd largest tank battle in history. Only the battle of Chawinda, which was part of the Indo-Pakistani war of 1965 and the Battle of Prokhorovka (part of Battle of Kursk) in 1943 precede the Battle of 73 Easting.

    During the aforementioned tank battle, the Iraqis lost over 160 tanks to the American and British forces which were comprised of the M1 Abrams and Challenger I tanks, respectively; both tanks are 3rd generation and later models of the T-90 could be regarded as advanced 3rd generation.

    This was not all that long ago, relatively speaking...tanks are not by any means obsolete, they remain an integral part of any conventional ground force. If we're doing one of those "who would win" scenarios; well based on tank tactics and experience learned from 73 Easting, I'd favor the M1 Abrams, but if the discussion is purely upon combat record, the British Challenger 1 tank never suffered a defeat against another tank in the Gulf War. I'd be more worried about going up against them than the Soviets/Russia.

    In the end, the use of tanks in supporting infantry in seizing territory remains relevant.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    During the Easter Offense during the Vietnam War the NVA lost 400 Soviet built tanks. There was no tank battle (tank vs, tank) the U.S. Air Force was credited for destroying most of the NVA tanks as they came pouring across the DMZ.

    It was Gen. Giap's first attempt of blitzkrieg. It failed.
     
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    In a real war (we haven't seen one in quite some time) all of the new fancy tech will be worthless, why?

    Let's think about it, Hackable, EMP's would decimate most of our tech, leaving very few vehicles with the ability to function without repair.

    So tanks are not giant targets, they are just a misunderstood weapon laying in wait.
     

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