Vaccines Are Pushing Pathogens to Evolve

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  1. Moonglow

    Moonglow Well-Known Member

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    You think you can handle being exposed to uranium 236? I doubt you'll turn into Spiderman...
     
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  2. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lord what a dumb take. When has uranium 236 ever been a disease?
     
  3. WillReadmore

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    As the article points out, this is no different than for ALL MEDICINE that is directed at the full range biological attack artists.

    Question: Are you in favor of people stopping taking medicine aimed at defeating viruses, bacteria, worms, fungi, protozoa?

    If you get infected by one of these pathogens, should your doctor tell you, "Sorry, I can easily solve your problem. But, if I do, evolution might ensue."?
     
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    Humans have more non-human cells living in their bodies than they have human cells in their bodies.

    We attack almost NONE of these, and when medicine is designed our medical engineers have to take great care with that. Our bodies DEPEND on those we carry along.

    BUT, one reason to attack certain pathogens with medicine is that they can kill you, or seriously disable. They can use you as a way to spread themselves to other humans, too.

    When you are dead, your resistance is shockingly low.

    Now, if you are saying that you should allow death to ensure, because of what it means to future generations of humans, I laud you charity.

    But, you can NOT seriously propose that as a national or world wide strategy.
     
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    'Weak at best' is not accurate. Hundreds of millions have been vaccinated and most have enjoyed great protection. Hospital stays and deaths have dropped to nearly nothing in those vaccinated.

    Vaccinations were quickly designed and approved so obviously there is much yet to learn. If more people would have been vaccinated there would have been less opportunity for spread and variants. Yes there can be some issues with those already vaccinated but they are minuscule in the grand scheme.

    I'm sure at this moment lots of research continues and new information will help. Meanwhile, it's what we have to work with and more vaccinations will certainly help. Variants can happen no matter the vaccination treatment. Covid is definitely a pandemic!
     
  6. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    None of the EUA vaccines are approved. The one Pfizer 'approved' vaccine is not the one being given and is not available but the government is lying to people. If they made the approved Pfizer vaccine available then all EUA for all vaccines would be removed. If they drop the EUA then pharma could be sued for injuries caused by the vaccine.

    You literally have no idea what injuries are being caused by the vaccines. A Harvard study found that VAERS is under reported by 10.
     
  7. OldManOnFire

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    They all are EUA approved. Moderna has EUA approval for anyone over 18 years. Pfizer is approved for anyone over 16 years and has EUA approval for 12-15 years. EUA approval is a tool to allow action to be taken in the short term...assuming the known benefits of the treatment outweigh the known and potential risks. Not sure why you dislike these actions when fact is they have nearly eliminated hospital stays and deaths?

    Please provide data showing government is lying to people?

    Maybe you'll believe Reuters??
    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...med-to-be-linked-to-vaccination-idUSKBN2AE0QQ
     
  8. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    EUA is only used for experimental treatments without FDA approval. HHS makes that decision.
     
  9. WillReadmore

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    Pfizer and others state that Comirnaty is EXACTLY the same as the vaccine that has been available for many months under the EUA.

    The ONLY change is that Pfizer can now treat their vaccine as a commercial product. So, they gave it a really stupid name.
     
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    An EUA was given so that it could be administered to everyone in the entire world.

    You can call that an "experimental treatment", but that's meaningless in almost every way.

    And, now that phase is totally over for the Pfizer vaccine, as it is fully certified.
     
  11. Hoosier8

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    They don’t say it is exactly the same and it is not the inoculation being used.
     
  12. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The certified one is not being used. If it were they would have to drop all EUA for all of these experimental treatments and Pfizer would lose its immunity from lawsuits.
     
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    "The vaccine has been available in the U.S. under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) since December 11, 2020 (as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine). The EUA permitted essential rollout of vaccine doses across the U.S. to help provide protection during the COVID-19 public health emergency, based on initial data from the pivotal Phase 3 clinical trial."

    https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-r...ech-covid-19-vaccine-comirnatyr-receives-full
     
  14. WillReadmore

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    Suing a drug company over a drug that has been tested and certified is incredibly difficult.

    Plaintiff would have to find something that the drug company knowingly did wrong.

    What do you think Pfizer did that was known to be wrong?
     
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    Not true...EUA was primarily used because of the short development timeframe and because the vaccines were not ready for all age groups.

    Please provide data showing government is lying to people?

    Maybe you'll believe Reuters??
    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...med-to-be-linked-to-vaccination-idUSKBN2AE0QQ
     
  16. Hoosier8

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    AKA unapproved experimental treatments. No FDA approval. It takes 5 to 20 years to gain approval but animal testing was skipped and trials abbreviated.
     
  17. WillReadmore

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    I don't see any evidence of the trial phases being abbreviated.

    It IS true that successfully passing the Phase 3 trial was the basis for an emergency use authorization given the situation in America at the time.

    And, now with the successful completion of the 4th and final phase and the analysis that has been done on the billions jabbed it was clearly a great decision.
     
  18. Hoosier8

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    Animal trials take 1 to 1 1/2 years. Not done. If phase 3 was finished then phase 4 is approval. There has been no phase 3 or 4 human clinical trials especially for some since they innoculated their control group. No matter what you wish to believe, you are an experiment for a treatment not approved by the FDA.
     
  19. WillReadmore

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    You need to cite claims like this if you want to claim people are lying.

    If you have no such cites, you should stop promoting these opinions of yours as if you do.
     
  20. Hoosier8

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    Dang man, since it is EUA means you are taking an experimental unapproved treatment. Why do you think that is?
     
  21. WillReadmore

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    This is ridiculous.

    I already posted to you the FACT that the Pfizer vaccine is NOT being administered under an EUA.
     
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    They did test samples first. Volunteers took the vaccine before the general public. Of course the whole process was rushed. It was rushed for a reason. People were dying. And what kind of a fuss would be raised if they didn't have a vaccine yet?
     
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    This is correct. The variant of the Pfizer vaccine was approved but not manufactured and not used. The Pfizer vaccines that are being administered still have emergency authorization. The new version of the vaccine is there to launch when the competitive vaccines receive final approval. It isn't about science. It is about law and politics.
     
  24. WillReadmore

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    This is absolutely FALSE.

    Pfizer is still manufacturing vaccines. It has ONE formulation. The formulation for those vaccines has NOT CHANGED. The FDA has included all Pfizer vaccines in its authorization, as they are identical. There is NO "new" formulation of Pfizer COVID vaccine.

    Again, there is NO NEW VERSION.

    That is an anti-vaxx LIE.
     
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    Since your name is readmore, you should read more. I don't know that the formulation is any different but the new name is Comirnaty and it is that product that received final FDA approval. It hasn't even been manufactured yet or, if it is the same formulation, it hasn't been distributed yet in order to keep the Pfizer covid vaccine in the emergency category. Go look it up. Even better, go read the actual FDA approval document. You can find it on the FDA website. Learn something. I am not an anti vaxxer.
     

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