Vatican Denies Kim Davis' Meeting With Pope Francis Indicates Support

The Vatican has issued a statement to clarify the "private meeting" that occurred between the Pope and Kim Davis.
The Vatican has issued a statement concerning the meeting with Kim Davis that doesn't agree with the story presented by Davis's lawyer. The Vatican statement says there was no "private meeting," but rather a room of dozens of people greeting him in a line, as he left Washington for New York. The Vatican also denies support for Kim Davis's cause.

I wondered why there was no photo of the meeting. I believe the Vatican has answered that question with this statement. The meeting described by Davis's lawyer was spun to make it seem much more intimate and supportive of her position than it actually was, IMO.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/v...eeting-pope-francis-indicates-support-n437356

 

Did homophobes conspire to hustle the Pope?

Given the Vatican's deeming it necessary to contradict the Constitutional oath-breaker's publicity machine, it's clear that Francis does not appreciate being manipulated and exploited to promote covert ideological agendas.

He had important messages for Americans, and "Shirk your sworn responsibilities and still expect to be paid" was not one of them.

What a slimy stunt!

Hey, wasn't that one of those cheap, Chinese manufactured Trump caps I glimpsed in the Pope's locker?

 

So he just randomly ran into her?

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...rancis-reportedly-had-a-private-meeting-in-dc

Lombardi can do what he considers "damage control" if he likes... but the Pope arranged weeks in advance to meet with her, and give her support. You can pretend that there was no "private meeting" in which he gave her his support in her struggle, you can pretend that you have your own private griffin that flies you to work every day too. I don't care... Lombardi's statements have changed three times. The fact is, the pope arranged and had a private meeting with Davis in which he literally supported her.

I take this argument because your reasoning is poor. Not because I support Davis.

 

I read where Kim Davis was a registered Democrat but has now become a registered Republican to the delight of Mike Huckabee. Since the Vatican has now distanced itself from Kim Davis, I don't think she will convert to Catholicism.

 

>>>MOD EDIT Off Topic Removed<<< The Pope is not larger than God and it might explain why the Catholic church sees a drop in members while Christian churches are rising. Your faith is in God, not the politics of the Vatican.

 

Such a wonderful and devoted Cristian woman is Mrs. Davis that she not only wishes to remove the rights of he fellow citizens, she wants us all to venerate her for defying our laws, not doing her job, and lying about the man supposedly chosen by God to lead her flock of worshipers.

Wow...what an excellent example she sets.....think I'm gonna convert.

 

What are you suggesting she lied about?

 

The original link is on a page that rotates stories. I didn't realize that when I linked it. I linked the story from the Vatican and it rolled over to Davis's lawyer's statement. I can see the confusion now.

As to the meeting, the Vatican said they met, but it wasn't a private meeting. There were dozens of people he met with on his way to New York. The Vatican really has no need to spin the story. They didn't even have to make a statement at all. Davis's lawyer might have a reason to spin it though. Just food for thought.

This link should work. I'm can't edit the OP to change the link. Thanks for pointing out the problem.

 

She and her lawyer claimed to have had a private audience with the Pope, the only individual in that
GROUP of people who did so was a former student of his holiness for a brief period.

"CNN)Kim Davis, the Kentucky clerk who spent six days in jail for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, met privately with Pope Francis last week, adding a surprising twist to his first visit to the United States.

The meeting came Thursday at the Vatican Embassy in Washington, according to a statement on the Liberty Counsel website.

Mat Staver, a lawyer for Davis, said the session lasted 10 minutes and was just between the Pope, his client and her husband. He said pictures were taken and will be released at some point.
Pope Francis and Kim Davis
Pope Francis and Kim Davis

"I was humbled to meet Pope Francis. Of all people, why me?" Davis said in the statement.

"Pope Francis was kind, genuinely caring, and very personable. He even asked me to pray for him. Pope Francis thanked me for my courage and told me to 'stay strong.' "
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/30/us/kim-davis-pope/index.html

"Pope Francis has denied having a private meeting with Kim Davis, the US city official who was jailed for refusing to issue a gay marriage licence, saying the "brief greeting" with her during a general "audience" in Washington does not equate to a support of her position.

In a statement released on the Vatican website, spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said the pontiff "did not enter into details of the situation of Mrs Davis" during a brief meeting at the Apostolic Nunciature in Washington DC upon the Pope's historic visit to the US and Cuba.

The statement goes on to clarify that the Pope did not invite Davis for a private meeting. "The only real audience granted by the Pope at the Nunciature was with one of his former students and his family," it said.

"Pope Francis met with several dozen persons who had been invited by the Nunciature to greet him as he prepared to leave Washington for New York City. Such brief greetings occur on all papal visits and are due to the Pope's characteristic kindness and availability," the statement said, adding that the meeting with Davis "should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects".
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-denies-private-meeting-101518419.html#yLi1lHz

But hey..who should I believe.

 

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Most people are not arguing whether Ms. Davis had a private meeting or not, but most people are arguing the political implications and infrances with the meeting with the Pope and Ms. Davis. Ms Davis is trying to use the meeting to justify her position and her actions while the Pope is trying to be Spiritual and nonjudgmental. The whole clarrification statement is based on the latter, not the former.

 

Some Christians believe that and others do not, but it is a separate matter from issuing licenses that in no way address sex.

There is no biblical injunction against issuing licenses.

If anyone refuses to respect the law and breaks her oath, she can do so. What she cannot do is demand the taxpayer continue to give her money for a job that she will not do.


The radical homophobes' contrived exploitation of the Pope was disgusting.

 

What evidence do you have that the Pope had arranged a personal meeting with Kim Davis weeks in advance?

So many deceptions are being attempted, I'd appreciate your providing a link to that information.

 

Ms Davis can get all the divorces she feels her faith demands, and can refuse to issue marriage licenses to left-handed Americans if she has a problem with it.

What she cannot do is demand to be paid for indulging her prejudices.

The US Constitution and her oath of office do not allow her to keep fleecing the taxpayer if she refuses to do her job.

If she had a modicum of integrity, she would quit and have her publicity machine proclaim her a martyr.

 

The pope singled out and invited her to meet with him... and because dozens of people were also granted this audience does not diminish his desire to meet with her and her husband... and that this meeting took place. I think you are assuming that they were all sitting around in a crowd or something. Each person would be brought in individually to see him. That is a private meeting. She did not lie. Lombardi is in the business of skirting controversy... so he took a "no true Scotsman" approach to what constitutes a "private audience" with the pope... but I am quite sure that if the vatican called you to meet with the pope behind closed doors, you would call that a private meeting.

Why did the pope arrange to meet with her specifically, hug and thank her for her courage, and tell her to stay strong? I get that you don't like her... but that's what happened... and your interpretation of Lombardi's statement defies logic.

 

Your ad-hom has nothing to do with this thread.

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It was already provided. Post #3.

 

Well, there are lots of reasons why people are flocking to non denominational churches. For starters, it is the music. For the first 30 minutes or so, it is basically a mini concert with everyone singing. Second, the church tries to implement services more to the time schedule to its audiences. This means services on Saturday evenings, or Sunday mornings or afternoons. They incorporate sports, school, vacation, etc within the service. Meanwhile, the Catholic Service can be described as stale. It is basically preordained, scripted, and methodical, not something for young people who are trying to be hip, cool, etc.

BTW, the Pope has never claimed, now or in the past, to be larger than God. In the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox doctrines, the Pope acts more like the high prienst of Ancient Israel than anything else.

 

In this day of selfies, and considering her recent publicity, where is the photo of this private meeting? There were photos of rosaries that the Pope gives to people, so someone had a camera or smart phone. Surely she would want a photo with the Pope. He obliged others, why not her? Time might have been a factor, and that makes sense with the Vatican's statement.

 

IF the meeting was private how do YOU know what he said to her? You don't.....it didn't happen....but you go ahead and believe the Slacker Who Won't Do What She's Paid To Do and I'll believe the Pope's guy...

 

As it seems clear you may have difficulty reading or comprehending the written word in English (you have my pity), I will post it again for you:

"Pope Francis has denied having a private meeting with Kim Davis, the US city official who was jailed for refusing to issue a gay marriage licence, saying the "brief greeting" with her during a general "audience" in Washington does not equate to a support of her position.

In a statement released on the Vatican website, spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said the pontiff "did not enter into details of the situation of Mrs Davis" during a brief meeting at the Apostolic Nunciature in Washington DC upon the Pope's historic visit to the US and Cuba.

The statement goes on to clarify that the Pope did not invite Davis for a private meeting. "The only real audience granted by the Pope at the Nunciature was with one of his former students and his family," it said.

"Pope Francis met with several dozen persons who had been invited by the Nunciature to greet him as he prepared to leave Washington for New York City. Such brief greetings occur on all papal visits and are due to the Pope's characteristic kindness and availability," the statement said, adding that the meeting with Davis "should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects".
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pope-francis-denies-private-meeting-101518419.html#yLi1lHz

If you wish to take the word of a lawyer and the plaintiff over the vatican and the defense, so be it.....I prefer the Pope over a county clerk.

 

I agree with everything you have said... however I am not sure that the purpose of the doctrine is supposed to be "hip" or "cool". It is prescribed, preordained... it is the ritual that is the point. To preserve the traditions. Glad you brought up Eastern Orthodox... almost nobody knows when to stand or kneel during service... its kind of funny.

 

I figured as much another lie give out by her so called lawyers.

 

That the Vatican deemed it necessary to issue the clarifying statement it did after Davis's publicity machine attempted to exploit her being among many who had met with the Pope is telling.

None of the others had pulled such a stunt to promote themselves and their ideological agendas.

 

Well... firstly... your awful source begins with an incorrect statement... the pope didn't say this, Lombardi did. Lombardi went on to differentiate between what they consider a "real" private audience... as in an extended period of time where others are not waiting in line. I am sorry YOU seem only to be able to read what you want to read... ABC reported that the pope arranged this meeting weeks in advance. You read the author of the biased article opining "The statement goes on to clarify that the Pope did not invite Davis for a private meeting." and ignore "Pope Francis met with several dozen persons who had been invited by the Nunciature to greet him" and "The Vatican reached out to Davis several weeks ago to arrange the meeting, ABC reports."

Again, the only thing that Lombardi (who is not the pope) did was try and imply a nuanced definition of the term "private meeting", suggesting that hers was not a REAL private meeting... lol. This is just the politics of this vatican enjoying its newfound support, attempting to shield the pope from controversial issues.

 

guess no chance of him being husband #6 now, he blew it

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