Venezuela opposition leader claims coup is under way – live news

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  1. Thingamabob

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    Extremely false choice of words. Remember when the U.S. claimed to be involved in Vietnam's civil war? Same lie ... different country. The U.S. was not involved in a civil war in Vietnam nor will it get involved in a civil war in Venezuela. The U.S. CREATED a war in Vietnam and is itching its crotch to CREATE one in Venezuela.
    Big deal. There are nearly 200 countries worldwide.
     
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    Well, there is one thing for sure: if Venezuela teaches us anything, it’s “welfare for all” means life for none.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Weak? That’s 25%. Overwhelming? No. Significant? Oh yeah.
     
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    Is why when right-wingers talk leftists Democratic administrations like Clinton's, they are talking out of their neither regions. There are no leftists in the Democratic establishment although there are some younger voices coming up through the ranks. Unfortunately, those voices and their ideas will likely be drown out by the likes of Pelosi and Biden who only want to win for their own gain and to maintain the status quo.

    People forget that along with concentration of ownership in the corporate media, Clinton repealed the Glass-Steagall act that regulated commercial and investment banking. This was a direct factor in the crash of 2008 that almost brought down the global economy.

    Clinton also brought in tough on crime legislation that unfairly targeted minority communities and often locked up non-violent drug offenders for maximum sentences often for petty crimes. Often these non-violent offenders were forced into plea deals in order to avoid what amounts to life sentences for simple drug crimes.

    Yes, the US is trying it's best to shut out alternate opinions and whistleblowers like Assange. This is happening as we speak as corporations like Google and Facebook are being forced to restrict with algorithms opinions that diverge from the corporate/military/intelligence/security state narrative.

    In some ways you can not blame ordinary Americans for not understanding what is going on. Even smart, well informed people can be misled by the emotional appeal of dominant media messaging and patriotic authority.
     
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    The supposed revolution/ uprising turned out to be nothing more than a fizzle, if that. Juan Guaido needs to sit down and stop listening to Pompeo, Abrams or whomever he is listening to and stop plotting to MURDER tens of thousands , in not millions, of the people whom he claims to be having the best interest of. It is people such as him, Guaido, who are the real dictators and brutalizers of this world, sponsored by the Chief Mischief Makers of the planet.
     
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    [​IMG] This is Hilarious !
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    The Three Stooges F'k it Up [​IMG]

    US Corporate plans to RAPE Venezuela are in TOTAL disarray !
    The stupid arrogant NEOCON Thugs in Washington got played !

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    Venezuela - Washington's Puppet - Guaidó Got Set -Up - Snookered
    White House - In Impotent RAGE - Starts Beating a Hollow War Drum

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51531.htm


    From The Article:
    There are signs though that the government of President Nicolas Maduro set
    a trap. Several people in the top echelon of the Venezuelan government gave
    false promises that they would join the U.S. proxy side. They snookered
    Guaidó into launching his coup to let him fail.
    &

    Everyone in Washington believed that significant figures in the Venezuelan government would
    change sides. They did not do so. Vladimir Padrino rejected the coup within an hour after Guaidó
    announced it. It seems that the Guaidó side got played by the Venezuelan Defense Minister and
    several other officials and officers. They seem to have promised to support Guaidó only to bait
    him into taking steps that would embarrass him.
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    Guaidó and his backers in the Trump administration were made to believe that some significant
    elements of the Maduro government and of the army would turn on Maduro. They launched a
    coup attempt that fell apart within a few hours as no one changed sides. All their blustering has
    now been deflated. Guaidó has lost his credibility. Washington may still support him but in
    Caracas there is likely no one left who believes in him.

    &
    Bolton, Pompeo, Abrams and of course Donald Trump have been exposed as buffoons who,
    despite their powerful positions, can not even organize a simple coup. They publicly supported
    through dozens of tweets and interviews what turned out be a bad amateur theater play. The
    diplomatic corps will joke about this episode for the next decade.


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    Are you sure that Facebook and Google are being forced to restrict real free speech? I say that being that those who own Facebook and Google are censoring and restricting information, opinions and ideas all on their own. As Jeanette has stated. Many of these people sit on the boards of more than one company, so in all honesty, these same people, have a complex that tends to engender authoritarian and control issues.
     
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    Never get into the habit of calling these types of people buffoons for they are ALWAYS plotting and scheming, right now they and other planners are cooking up more pies, cookie, cupcakes and cakes, for public consumption. Of course, media persons are in the kitchen with them aiding in more deceptions. Just because one plan has failed, there are several more in the works.
     
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    Agree with you to some extent that these corporations are restricting on their own accord but don't forget that there is political pressure being exerted to make certain websites like Truthdig, RT or Sputnik among many others much harder to access through search engines. This is the same sort of top down pressure applied to legacy news sources to filter information through editorial opinion, ownership bias and restricting content that major advertisers will not accept.

    The fight over net neutrality has left internet media corporations open to just this type of political interference:

    “Internet service providers now have the power to block websites, throttle services and censor online content,” Jessica Rosenworcel, a Democratic member of the commission who voted against the repeal, said in an emailed statement Monday. “They will have the right to discriminate and favor the internet traffic of those companies with whom they have pay-for-play arrangements and the right to consign all others to a slow and bumpy road.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/technology/net-neutrality-repeal.html


    I think I remember Truthdig saying that their traffic is down by over 30% since june 2018 and the new rules
     
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    It is what it is....
     
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    Oh I don't know about that, maybe once in a while they tell the truth. Besides, the CIA also kills.

    Have you noticed that lying which was not so common years ago, has now reached a point where everything our government say's no matter how small, is the exact opposite of reality?


    These small drug offenders which could be anyone, (it was only a matter of luck), usually ended up as hardened criminals in jail. But that's not all Clinton did. He also allowed GMO's and all it entails, and gave grants to private schools and colleges with classes that pushed the LGBT agenda.

    In addition, Bill Clinton ignored the UN and Russia's veto and intervened in Serbia's civil war under false pretenses and bombed Belgrade for 78 days - killing thousands. Bill Clinton's presidency was an all spectrum destruction of society and the world, and its because of his actions that Russia began remilitarizing.
     
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    Because they are Malignant & Evil does NOT mean that they cannot be Stupid
    ..You are absolutely correct however - These misceants will stop and nothing in
    .........................................................................................................der to achieve their ends

    ..................................... It is nice to see them out maneuvered
    ..................................... Fun to see them take a fail
    ........................................[​IMG] :)

    If I was Juan Guaidó I would be looking to cut the strings and start running
    ...........................................He is suddenly worth more DEAD to them than alive
     
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    I don't think they were set up by Maduro or anyone else in his government. If the coup was meant to fail, then it had to be deliberate by Washington so they could have an excuse to invade Venezuela. If on the other hand it was not deliberate, then they're listening to the voices in their heads - a common phenomenon in Washington.



    How can voices lie?
    [​IMG]
     
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    I heard similar from RT hosts, how search engine results do not allow for RT to appear, due to algorithmic exclusions. Yet, we are to believe that we here in America live in a free society. I guess it depends on a person's definition and understanding of what "free" actually is. Do we have more choices in the States? Of course we do, but by name ONLY because if the content is similar, differing only in semantics, then we are no more freer that people in the old CCCP when it comes to access to differing points of view. Even with that, most of the "differing" opinions are textbook controlled opposition; offering ONLY approved opinions, views and ideas. Freedom of thought, is SLAVERY, plain and simple. This is one of the reason I do not fit the standard definition of a Muslim; I listen to the music that I do and hold views, information and opinions that are not "textbook" or stereotypical.
     
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    TELL IT LIKE IT IS Jeanette! What is taking place in Venezuela and has taken place in that country is right out of the CIA, NSA, DIA playbook.
     
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    Yeah, and what it is, is is not.
     
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    ....PUPPET
    Juan Guaido – Humiliated !Washington in Disarray !
    Apologists & Graduates of “Mike Pompeos School of Lies
    Dissapear from debate & take cover under a Rock somewhere [​IMG]
    "The Glorious American Experiment" undergoes another Failure
    The only Options left to them is, a blatently obvious False Flag &/or
    ...................................................................................just start Killing people [​IMG]

    The good people of Venezuela, still FREE of Washington's machinations
    ............................................seem ready to resist the inevitable Reprisals

    New Details Emerge of Failed Plot Too Oust
    Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro

    From The Article:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ailed-plot-oust-venezuelan-president-nicolas/
    The collapse of the plot leaves the next steps for the Venezuelan opposition
    .....................................................................................clouded in uncertainty


    Venezuelan Opposition Left Exposed After Plot Unravels
    https://www.axios.com/venezuelan-opposition-left-exposed-plot-unravels-0b507332-e6eb-4c3c-b902-2c7126ea431b.html
    From The Article:
    The collapse of a U.S.-backed plot to bring down Nicolás Maduro leaves
    the Venezuelan opposition vulnerable, and the Trump administration with
    few options short of military force.

    Washington does a Delusional Unreal Reality Check
    Venezuela Is Armed to the Hilt !

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/02/venezuela-is-armed-to-the-hilt/
    From The Article:
    The country has assembled one of the largest stockpiles of weapons in
    the Western Hemisphere. Here’s how to prevent it from falling into
    the wrong hands.

     
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    A good point. Two good points, as a matter of fact.

    I've noticed. Oh, how I have noticed! But you cannot help but wonder if the lying was always so common and now they figure we can't do anything about it so they don't bother to cover their tracks as well as they used to do.

    I think it started with the rise of power of the Military-Industrial Complex (thus side-lining presidential competence) & the first blatantly concocted Warren Commission lie with their "magic bullet". Of course, there were lies upon lies prior to that such as "The Bay of Pigs" sham and "Operation TP Ajax" but those were both external operations and easier to obscure from the eyes of the American population.
     
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    "A FAIR survey of US opinion journalism on Venezuela found no voices in elite corporate media that opposed regime change in that country. Over a three-month period (1/15/19–4/15/19), zero opinion pieces in the New York Times and Washington Post took an anti–regime change or pro-Maduro/Chavista position. Not a single commentator on the big three Sunday morning talkshows or PBS NewsHour came out against President Nicolás Maduro stepping down from the Venezuelan government."

    https://fair.org/home/zero-percent-of-elite-commentators-oppose-regime-change-in-venezuela/

    North Korea must be envious of how obedient our media is.
     
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    Why Because the US will annihilate them?
     
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    If that is true, brilliant. For the US the problem is that it does the same plot again and again and it has harmed so many countries now that they are sharing notes. They can roughly guess what the US will get up to and make appropriate plans.

    The US though has been supporting Guaido on regime change for far longer than this year ;)

    https://consortiumnews.com/2019/01/...ge-laboratory-created-venezuelas-coup-leader/
     
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    I think that the difference was that in the past people expected their Politicians to have integrity and to properly inform them. Now it has got so that some do not even pretend they do. I am sure I heard the other day that Bolton was admitting he frequently lied....or was it Pompeo?
     
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    I think they have to kill Guaido first, though the other day I heard Bolton saying simply intending to take legal action on someone attempting a coup would be enough for the US to come in militarily. That being said, a CIA marksman and a dead Guaido seemed to be the best bet.
     
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    North Korea must be envious of how obedient our media is. :applause::salute::worship:
     
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    Am I missing something important here? Did I arrive in the middle of a dialogue that is not my business? Why would the CIA assassinate Guaido after having succeeded in attaching most of the strings to his hands, feet, and mouth? Guaido is Washington's puppet.
     
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