Virgin Mary Confusion

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion-philosophy/299466-trying-christianity-16.html#post1062575825
Last one.
I didn't realize these discussion were in the other thread, and OT over there.

 

...born without sin...

 

So you are thinking mother Mary was not born without sin? I guess I understand ... you are believing sin is independent from the own free decision and without intellectual dimension. To be honest: I personally don't have any idea what someone could think and feel, who thinks or feels he is able to see in a newborn baby a sin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQcVllWpwGs#aid=P9aS_4AjPCo

 

Sin is not only an action but also a condition. We are born with it as a function of our nature that is the consequence of the fall or ariginal sin. We were created sinless in the garden, but deception about the nature of God's words caused an action that effected the whole human race. It is no different today as it was thin, it is still the same sin.

 

Okay, I guess I have to accept that I'm not only an excommunicated Catholic but I'm also an heretics of the catholic church, beause it's impossible for me to believe in such a senseless catholic doctrine. I fear if I continue to discuss with american Christians then I will have to burn me one day on my own on a stake, if this would be no sin. But let me ask: What's the sense of a sin no one is able to change and no one is responsible for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W2duTA5kJ4

 

Sin can not be changed, nor its existence in our nature. But Jesus has paid the price for our sin by his sacrifice on the cross. His blood covers all.

Romans says, "the good I would do, that I do not. The evil that I would not do, that I do. Finding then the principle that d=sin is ever present with me, but praise be to God...there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus...Romans chapter 7 & 8.

 

No,

in theologocally=== she was not baptized. As since of first women, all are held to that first sin, per bible.

So per the religion, it's impossible to be born free of sin.

In reality, the birth of every child, is the first day purely free of sin, but religious pukes dont see life as good. The miracle of mary and joseph is that joseph went against church law, for the compassion of a women in circumstance

mary was not free from sin (judgment)

not even jesus was

and if jesus was god, died and then did not come back to stop the existing oppression

then i judge him as being a sinnner.

But since i know, jesus aint christ, then I cannot condemn him for not finishing the job

 

Please - "sin" is a spiritual concept of the christian religion - not a concept of nature. And if something cannot be changed it makes no sense to speak about.

Let me say with more easy words: God shows in Jesus that this what is and what will be is so important that god prefers to die and to suffer with us instead to change his plans. Hopefully he's right.

I read both chapters of this letter now again and stil I think it's indeed very interesting and worthful what Paulus here said - although I don't share his concepts about the differences of spirit and body. We are very concrete our body - even in the highest dimensions of our spirit. Do you understand me if I say "We are sexy"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb2A5H6gUMY

 

I think the Bible teaches that sin is a physical manifestation of a spiritual failure in that original sin was caused by the deception of Satan who seeks to defuse God's word by questioning whether God meant what he said. Sin can be wiped away by accepting the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, where sheding his blood as a covering for that sin. And I must say that is God's plan.

 

Scripture specifically teaches that sin does not have to manifest physically to be just as serious a sin. One of the more famous sermons of Jesus speaks at length about this.

 

LOGOS means plan or design. Translating it as "word" makes no sense. Think of "astrology," the supposed plan or purpose of the stars, "biology," an arrangement of life forms and description of their bodies' functions, etc. "In the beginning was the plan (to redeem mankind), and the plan was with God (Jesus was the Son of God), and the plan was God (Trinity, three persons in one)."

 

Is sin not thought, word, and deed?
It can be wiped away, but for how long. Based on my the thought, word, and deed thing. As we will sin in short order.

 

True. The context of my comment was original sin.

 

Logos is totally appropriate as it applies to describing Jesus. He is the creator. Everything was by Him, for Him, and through Him. Ephesians 1, and Colosians 1.

 

Through Jesus blood God forgives sin as far as east is from west.

 

and john 1

 

I had a long complex answer now - it got lost a short time before I was finshed. I guess that's okay. A sentence in this answer was: "We need justice, but we are not just: That's maybe an influence of the fruit of the tree of the lost paradise."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEEpavnk7Uw

 

Yes, and more than that as well.

 

No offense, but your answer does not have enough context, and what you did say does not sound like anything I have heard before. But I think that it is true that we need justice, and our sin nature makes us unjust. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil in and of itself had no influence over us except that eating of it was forbidden and that the deed of eating that fruit changed and corrupted all creation until it is remade as is described in the book of Revelation.

 

The opposit: Justice is nothing what is existing in our world here. But because of our nature as spiritual beings we need justice. That's why we use laws to compensate this lack of justice. It's very important not to see an enemy in nature. My feeling for justice forces me to make clear that we are the criminals while mother nature is the good girl. If you remember the creation - always is written in this context: "And god saw: it is good". To attack the creation of god - everything all around us is his word - is nonsense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IOQSgRJN9c

 

yes, and we could go on much further...........

 

Our natures are not spiritual, they are physical. God's son existed physical, born physical, lived physical, died physical, resurected physical, and assended physical, and sits at the right hand of the father physical. He shed his physical blood to cover our physical sin. Worship the creator, not the creature.

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Amen to that!

 

And the text of your comment was simply false.
Even in the context of original sin, according to Christ the real sin of pride and ego had been committed long before the fruit was consumed.

 

Jesus would be the personification of God's design. I don't know the Koine Greek for "word," but it is not LOGOS. "Word" is rhema or epos. Besides, Jesus being merely a word doesn't make any sense. How is "word" a creator, which is tekton or demiurge?

 

I'm referring to translating it as "word." Fanatics are so paranoiac they won't even allow the translation to questioned. Maybe the translators were trying to push the idea that they didn't have to practice what they preached, that words were more important than deeds.