Was killing Baghdadi a betrayal ?

The Saudis initially thought they would back al Nusra with weapons, but remembering AQ and that unintended consequence they changed their minds.

 

Sometimes Rand Paul is real dumb.

Hillary didn't want a military intervention so the US didn't get involved at all until late 2014.

You don't know anything about Libya or Syria.

The use of chemical weapons in the Syrian Civil War has been confirmed by the United Nations. Deadly attacks during the war included the Ghouta attack in the suburbs of Damascus in August 2013 and the Khan al-Assal attack in the suburbs of Aleppo in March 2013.

 

By 2011, the U.S. was covertly supporting the insurgency.

In 2012, Hillary was declaring that "Assad must go". When she ran for president in 2016 she wanted the U.S. to establish "no fly zones" over Syria which would have put the U.S. in direct conflict with the Russians and Syrian government forces.

When you say the U.S. didn't get involved until 2014, you are talking about the campaign against ISIS. But we were very involved long before that.

As bad as Assad may be, Syria poses no threat to the U.S. or our close allies, and so this civil war within Syria's borders was none of our business. All we did was fuel war, destruction, death, homelessness, a refugee crisis, and the rise of ISIS. We should have left Syria alone to deal with its own problems.

Bombing a government into oblivion is not the answer to a refugee crisis. There are much better options.

You sound a lot like the warhawks in Washington who think war is the answer to everything.

 

Assad had promised reforms for years and years. Hillary believed he would institute reforms instead he dropped 4,000 barrel bombs on them in two years and refugees were pouring into Turkey, Jordan and the Gulf States. The Assad family are criminals.. They have been since 1970.

The US got involved in late 2014.

 

Call the Assad family criminals if you wish, but it is easy to make the case that there are many criminal governments in the world. Russia, Saudi Arabia, governments in South America, Africa, even China. The U.S. cannot fix that by force. Period. We do not have to like the man, but it is not our business to intervene in a Syrian civil war that is no threat to us. And for who? The strongest force among the rebels was Al Qaeda and ISIS!! Just who do you think was going to replace Assad???

That is just factually wrong. Look it up for yourself. By 2011/2012, the CIA was actively involved, distributing weapons, etc.

 

You evidently don't know KSA either.

There have been dozens of military coups in Syria, many mass slaughters and assassinations.. Lots of Drug smuggling and kidnap for ransom. Alawites are above the law.

 

Prove the CIA was distributing weapons.

 

Look it up, for heaven's sake! It's not a secret anymore! You can google "CIA Involvement in Syria war" and read for yourself. It's a historical fact, Margot.

 

Nothing has been resolved. Syria is a ruin. 6 million have fled the country and that incompetent thug is still the president of Syria.

CIA activities in Syria - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Syria

• Overview
• Coup of 1949
• Attempted regime change, 1956–57
• Extraordinary rendition, 2001–03
• Paramilitary raids, 2004–08
• War, 2011–2017

• CIA activities in Syria since the agency's inception in 1947 have included coup attempts and assassination plots, and in more recent years, extraordinary renditions, a paramilitary strike, and funding and military training of forces opposed to the current government.

 

Assad released 30 members of the Khalid bin al-Waleed Army - and it may well have been for the purpose of clamping down on the moderate opposition forces that existed at the time. No surprise that Assad would do such a thing.

That this action - which affected one small region - is what allowed the radical Islamist Jihadist proxy army to take over most of Syria in 2 years - almost all of which was by groups other than the Khalin bin Al Walleed army - is preposterous nonsense.

The idea that arming the Islamist Jihadists with tens of thousands of tons of military equipment did not contribute to these groups taking over is also preposterous nonsense.

Why would Rand bring this up - as it had nothing to do with US arms and support to the Jihadists - what a ridiculous attempt to discredit Paul. Paul didn't mention that the moon made of green cheese either but that does not have anything to do with the US arming the Jihadists either.

The real question is not why Rand did not bring up some detail that is irrelevant to his point - "that we armed ISIS and Al Qaeda" - but why the MSM did not comment on his claim and try to answer the question "did the US arm the 911 terrorist group".

If Paul's claim (and similar claims of numerous others in congress - the Defense Intelligence agency - and a gazillion other sources) was not true - the media would be all over it. Instead we get crickets.

Notice that the Pentagon, DIA, Congress never deny that arms and support were provided.

I got a chuckle out of this article - Pure propaganda .. what did you expect Ford - ambassador to Syria - to say ? "We did it" ?

 

And who do you think would replace Assad if he were overthrown?

I say there would be massive chaos, a completely failed state (worse than now), and the rise of Sunni-led radical extremists aligned with Al Qaeda and/or ISIS who would be the dominant force.

 

Most Sunni reject AQ and ISIS.. They have killed too many Muslims.

 

Aside from the fact that the AC article cites numerous sources - including declassified Defense Intelligence Agency reports - (clearly you did not read the article) There were 13 Bipartisan in congress who co-signed the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" - submitted by Tulsi Gabbard.

https://gabbard.house.gov/news/StopArmingTerrorists

What is laughable BS is your inferred claim that 13 "Bipartisan" in congress would just make up such claim..

You then talk about ISIS in Iraq - as if this is the same as ISIS in Syria - a complete falsehood. When radical Islamist groups managed to take over most of Syria - they coalesced into an Islamic State - IS - ISIS.

What you did get right is the fact that El Saud has been promoting their radical Islamist ideology all over the world. They have been doing this for decades - supporting - financing - and sometimes arming these groups.

 

If you are going to twirl around in a circle and scream "its a lie .. its lie" at least state what that lie is.

You then put a map up - as if this is supposed to support your "Its a lie" claim.

What is the lie - and how does a map of Syria in 2018- prove your claim ?

 

That's what the amateurs say. ISIS carried out more than 2 dozen suicide bombings in KSA and declared war on Arabia in 2012.

 

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Eastern Syria with its depleted oil wells has been under Kurdish control since last year. No ISIS.

 

It doesn't matter if they reject AQ and ISIS if they are powerless to stop them. ISIS brought in a reign of terror over every single city they conquered in Syria and Iraq, and the population was powerless to stop them. It took U.S. air power to enable the Iraqi government to push them back in Iraq, and Kurdish forces to push them back in Syria. It wasn't the terrified and powerless Sunni communities ISIS conquered who pushed them back.

So I ask you again ... If Assad was overthrown, who would replace him? You know the answer. You just don't want to say it.

And in the ensuing chaos, and probable genocide, and horror, the Washington political/military/media establishment would be clamoring for a U.S. intervention. Because, god knows, no one else would do it. No Muslim nation would stop it. No European nation would stop it. The "usual suspects" would be clamoring for the U.S. to stop it.

No thank you.

I think I speak for the majority of Americans when I say I don't want responsibility for Syria. I don't want our children dying in Syria. I don't want to pay for it either. No way, no chance.

 

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Of course the FSA was allied with ISIS and Al Qaeda - the FSA was Al Qaeda - ISIS - and other radical Islamist Jihadists of the same ilk (sans for the first few months of the war when there was a moderate presence - a presence that had disappeared after the first year of the war)

Your claim has been disproven numerous numerous times by numerous posted - yet you still persist

"We weren't involved in Syria at all until late 2014"

The above is demonstrably false laughable nonsense - once again one of your claims that has been proven false numerous times by numerous posters.

A declassified October 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency report revealed that the shipment in late August 2012 had included 500 sniper rifles, 100 RPG (rocket propelled grenade launchers) along with 300 RPG rounds and 400 howitzers. Each arms shipment encompassed as many as ten shipping containers, it reported, each of which held about 48,000 pounds of cargo. That suggests a total payload of up to 250 tons of weapons per shipment. Even if the CIA had organized only one shipment per month, the arms shipments would have totaled 2,750 tons of arms bound ultimately for Syria from October 2011 through August 2012.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/

You may now put your hands over your ears, eyes, mouth, nose - and any other orifice that might let the bad news in - and return to twirling around in a circle crying "NO NO NO"

 

The same problem exists in Libya. We just don't have any say in the matter. In any case Trump is hooked.. and now he talking about oil.

 

Look at your source.

Response of Saudi Arabia to ISIL - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Response_of_Saudi_Arabia_to_ISIL
The response of Saudi Arabia to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant has taken many forms. For example, Saudi government agencies have worked with the United States since late 2014 to train and equip Syrian fighters hoping to engage with Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) militants.

 

So what - you have said the same thing about Al Qaeda but El Saud is allied with Al Qaeda in Yemen - just as they were allied with Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria.

Al Qaeda has also declared war no the US - this did not stop us from arming them - and other Jihadist group of the same Saudi Inspired radical Islamist ideology - with tens of thousands of tons of sophisticated military equipment - a fact that has been proven to you numerous times by numerous posters.

https://mideastshuffle.com/2014/10/04/biden-turks-saudis-uae-funded-and-armed-al-nusra-and-al-qaeda/

 

LOLOL.. Wahhabi is NOTHING like ISIS.. only an amateur would make such a stupid comparison.

ME shuffle is just a blog.

 

Anyone can write anything on Wiki - "Look at your source"

My source is a declassified Defense Intelligence Agency document. Which is a pretty good source for what the DIA has to say.

 

So say you - but - you have a demonstrable track record of spewing complete nonsense in defense of your beloved El Saud.

 

You don't know a thing about Saudi Arabia..