Was Pope Benedict Fired by the Knights of Malta?”

Can you only entertain one facet of one thing, at any given time, or are you able to make connections, and hold several thoughts?

Listen(properly) to what she is saying. If you do that, you then begin to understand how the rest of the parts fit in. Think of it like a jigsaw, you need all the part, not to stare at one piece, else you never see the whole picture, right?

 

However, if you rigidly want to stick to one facet, okay, fine, you can do that, as well.

So you can either look at all the facets, as part of a whole, or you can look at one in isolation.

I cannot say much fairer than that, to be honest..

Was Pope Benedict Fired by the Knights of Malta

Dr. Robert Moynihan, editor of Inside the Vatican magazine, is no conspiracy theorist. He’s THE quasi-official Vatican-embedded journalist and commentator.

So when Moynihan let slip a soupçon of skepticism about the “resigned due to old age” story, my ears pricked up and my hair stood on end. Moynihan points out in his latest journalistic encyclical that the Pope sure didn’t look like he needed to resign for health reasons: “I saw the Pope twice this week, once at a concert (on Monday evening, where I was sitting about 20 yards away from him) and at his General Audience on Wednesday. For a man of 85, he looked well, though he did seem tired.”

Why, pray tell, did he “seem tired”? What, precisely, was weighing on his infallible mind?

Moynihan takes a guess:


On Saturday, I intended (sic) a funeral Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica for a cardinal who died last week (Cardinal Giovanni Cheli). Pope Benedict was scheduled to attend, but at the very last minute, he canceled his attendance. This was an indication to me already Saturday evening that he was unusually tired (he had spent several hours that monring (sic) with the Order of the Knights of Malta). Normally he would have been present at a cardinal’s funeral.

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=23904

 

If the whole picture is that of some kind of crime ring that's entwined itself around every government, organized religion, and suchlike like a diseased octopus, well that's a bit of a stretch. It would collapse upon itself. Now, a huge number of such organizations existing under some kind of uneasy alliance, or at least with a neutrality tract? I could see the possibility. I've even said as much a few times.

On the other hand, does this have anything to do with the Pope resigning, as per the stated title of the thread? I doubt it very much - and I haven't seen anything to convince me otherwise. The OP doesn't elaborate on how, for instance, the Knights managed to get Ratz fired. I'm still waiting to read how exactly they did that.

EDIT TO ADD: Okay, I read the article. And the basic premise as to why he says the Pope was fired by the Knights is because he had a meeting just prior to his announcement - and the big hint was a TYPO?

And then he continues with the theory that the Knights were behind 9/11? I'm sorry, that's just - difficult to take seriously. So now, it was Bush, Israel, AND the Knights of Malta as well? I think we just jumped the shark with this one.

 

More likely that, however, if it is going all the way to the top, and has a presence in our lands, then for sure this must be taken seriously, for goodness sake, I cannot think of a greater sign of evil, if you want to call it that.

Here is the problem.

Who can literally police such people, and bring them to account?

It's a fair question.

Okay, let's say that for the next year, me, British, you, an American, and someone from Rome, devoted 12 months to reading and processing as much of the information we could find as possible.

Let's say that by the end of that year, we had come to a conclusion, beyond reasonable doubt, that all the signs in the US, Italy, and the UK, pointed to a large scale and sick sexual abuse (and dare I say satanistic), network, that appeared to be connected.

Just WHO do you take that to?

 

Okay, to lay it side by side, here we have another article.

Let's see how the thrust of it sits with you;


Did the Pope quit to dodge blame for misdeeds or just to do the right thing?

The latest allegation that a gay priest blackmail scandal was the reason for Benedict XVI’s sudden resignation shows that his sudden decision will be queried long after his departure, perhaps robbing him of his greatest achievement while in office.

Italian newspaper La Repubblica has reported that the Pope was overwhelmed when presented with evidence in mid-December last year (collected in "two volumes of almost 300 pages – bound in red&#8221 of a network of highly-placed Vatican priests who did not only engage in illicit homosexual “worldly relations” with outsiders, but let themselves be blackmailed by their gay lovers.

However..

the Vatican immediately issued a denial that almost invited more speculation.

"Neither the cardinals' commission nor I will make comments to confirm or deny the things that are said about this matter. Let each one assume his or her own responsibilities. We shall not be following up on the observations that are made about this," said Father Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman.

http://rt.com/op-edge/pope-benedict-allegations-scandal-312/

 

Jack, my KGB theory is much better. Come take a look at my thread:

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...-into-vatican-gay-officials-says-paper-3.html

 

OK,
What does ANY of this have to do with the Jews, or the Israelis?

Doesn't EVERYTHING on this sub-forum have to be about Israel?

What's all this talk about Popes and stuff?

Get with the program Jack

 

Read.

Think.

Reply.

 

I read,
I Thunk,
I replied.

Where is the Jew hate Jack?
You're falling off the camel............Please don't fail us Jack
You're our only hope.

 

Are you done?

 

Well this is more original than some 'vast Jewish conspiracy'.

 

Any thoughts on anything at all then?

 

Yeah I think it's bullsh-t

 

Okay.

 

No one, not at our level. But eventually, word gets out and the thing eventually collapses. It always does. Sure it's gotten a bit harder, especially here. Obama's drone crimes are being well-hidden by his compliant press. But one day, some journalist will make a stand with some information - and eventually the whole thing will collapse like a deck of cards. Conspiracies always collapse. It's just human nature for them to.

One say, I'll post my State of the World opinion that's been in my head for some time. You'd probably agree with a lot of it. But not all.

See, I've said this before Jack. I am pretty silly, and I don't often take a lot seriously, but when all is said and done I agree with more of what you say than you think. Where we ultimately part ways is your insistence that it all be viewed thru the telescope of Zionism, that ultimately it all boils down to that. You seem to think it's all one big octopus, so to speak. And the way I see it, it's a bunch of small-to-middlin' octopi all jousting for position in the world. They coexist because they know taking another one out would cost too much in all sorts of ways - secrets eventually come out, money and resources lost, and so forth. But they can't successfully merge either, much like the Crips would never work as a unit with the Bloods. But at the highest levels, they can make pacts with each other while the small-fry duke it out. And to me, the Zionist criminals that you post of out there are just one more octopus in a sea of octopi. I kind of wish I could get you to see that.

Well, this kind of reinforces my position about his resignation a bit more, actually. Whatever his failings before Ratz became Pope, and he had many, he came in hoping to reform the place a bit. But his initial attempts fail, and he's entangled under thousands of years of tradition, red tape, gossip, and hidden scandal. He looks at himself and thinks, can I take this on? Were he twenty, thirty years younger, I think he would. But he's old, he's half-blind, doesn't have the energy, can't travel as much, has had health problems. Can't fight the problems, can't fight the system, can't fight his own advancing age and declining health. If these Knights of the Maltese Falcons said anything to him, it wasn't "Quit or be fired," it was more likely laying out all the insurmountable obstacles he would have to face fighting the system, or how many hidden scandals there are out there. And if so, Ratz walks away thinking "Screw it. Time to retire. What are my choices: Fight a fight I can't win running a pack of scandal-ridden priests and die of stress, or NOT fight it while dealing with the grief of it all and die due to the stress, or retire and relax on the beach while sipping a pina colada?"

I think that's why he quit. Because he ain't a young man. He can't fight these battles, can't even DEAL with these issues - and he knows it. And I don't blame him at all.

 

More specifically, it's a lunatic fringe, fundamentalist Islamic hit piece from the Iranian state-run media - nothing more.

 

Well, as far as the article itself is concerned, if one of my students turned that in, I would make them heavily revise it. It lacks focus, and the ultimate thrust of the piece is hard to pinpoint. It argues too many things, and ultimately comes off as a convoluted opinion piece.

 

Popes, Bishops, Cardinals, Priests, Rabbi's, none of this is needed,and all of it attracts corruption, cover up's, abuses, and people that get drunk on their own perceived powers.

By all means, if someone wishes to have a spiritual essence to their life, sure, they can do that. It's a personal thing though, and you don't need this cabal of self important and v costly people.

Indeed, you don't need the central establishment of it, at all, imo.

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British Cardinal O’Brien accused of sexually abusing priests

Britain’s most senior Catholic clergyman, Cardinal Keith O'Brien has been implicated in possible sexual abuse scandals dating back 30 years ago by three priests and a former priest in Scotland, local media reported.


Cardinal O'Brien, who is an outspoken opponent of gay rights, condemning homosexuality as immoral, has been reported to the Vatican by the four, from the diocese of St Andrews and Edinburgh, the daily The Guardian reported.

They complained to nuncio Antonio Mennini, the Vatican's ambassador to Britain, that they had fallen victim to O’Brien’s inappropriate behaviour at the time, and called for his immediate resignation.

Their claims had been submitted to the nuncio’s office the week before Pope Benedict's resignation on 11 February, nurturing speculations that Benedict's shock move may be connected to further scandals to come. Allegations of sexual abuse by members of the church have dogged the papacy of Benedict XVI, who is to step down as pope at the end of this month.

One of the priests claims that the cardinal developed “an inappropriate relationship with him, resulting in a need for long-term psychological counseling”.

"It tends to cover up and protect the system at all costs," said the complainant. "The church is beautiful, but it has a dark side and that has to do with accountability. If the system is to be improved, maybe it needs to be dismantled a bit."

The first allegation against the cardinal dates back to 1980. The complainant, who is now married, was then an 18-year-old seminarian at St Andrew's College, Drygrange, where O'Brien was his "spiritual director". He claims O'Brien made an inappropriate approach after night prayers.

Out of fear, the seminarian says, he did not report the incident at the time.

“But my personality changed afterwards, so much so that my teachers told me I was becoming depressed. I was ordained but resigned when O'Brien was promoted to bishop. I knew then he would always have power over me. It was assumed I left the priesthood to get married. I did not. I left to preserve my integrity", he said.

In a second statement, "Priest A" describes being happily settled in a parish when he claims he was visited by O'Brien and inappropriate contact between the two took place.

In a third statement, "Priest B" claims that he was starting his ministry in the 1980s when he was invited to spend a week "getting to know" O'Brien at the archbishop's residence. He alleges that he found himself dealing with what he describes as unwanted behaviour by the cardinal after a late-night drinking session.

"Priest C" was a young priest the cardinal was counseling over personal problems. Priest C's statement claims that O'Brien used night prayers as an excuse for inappropriate contact.

They believed the cardinal abused his position. "You have to understand," explains the ex-priest, "the relationship between a bishop and a priest. At your ordination, you take a vow to be obedient to him.

"He's more than your boss, more than the CEO of your company. He has immense power over you. He can move you, freeze you out, bring you into the fold … he controls every aspect of your life. You can't just kick him in the balls."

Britain's most senior Roman Catholic has recently said he believes priests should be able to marry if they wish to do so. Cardinal O'Brien said it was clear many priests struggled to cope with celibacy, and should be able to marry and have children.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/02/24/290491/cardinal/

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Well, you could either moan on and on, or pick out facets, or comments from others, about this situation, and make something of it.

How about that?

 

I have stated several times before that the worst thing to happen to Christianity - was Organized Christianity.

That's exactly what I did on post six on the first page of this thread. I pointed out the fallacies in the articles structure and logic, and noted the part of it you really should have an issue with.

 

What is?

The Pope?

The abusers within the RC Church?

Open you eyes, it is self evident that something big seems to be brewing here.

 

Yes, I would agree with that. Or organised any religion. Indeed, since Jesus did not self identify as a Christian, the term, large crosses, and all of that superficial stuff, it matters not. What matters is the spirit of his core message, and trying to live by that.

If you made it nice and simple, the core values of Jesus, even factoring out all the other guff in the Bible, it would make a sound basis for morality, and that is what Chrisitians in the US have to do esp, as no Christians have lost their way more than they.

I know you will disagree, but I have observed, measured, listened, and there is no doubt in my mind that whatever many in America think they are, it's not the message of Jesus.

Quite the opposite.

 

No, I don't disagree with that at all - although I think there are more true Christians out there than you think there are. But they're verrrrrrry rarely going to be on the news or in front of a camera where you'll be able to see them.

 

In my opinion, the abomination of hypocrisy has always been worse than human sexuality, especially in modern times; yet, why no outcry about that from the Religious Right?

In my opinion, this has more to do with mediocre politicians than it does with "western culture". We would probably have more "efficient" public servants if the wealthiest had to pay wartime tax rates, even for a War on Drugs.

 

Well any that support war, state terrorism, usury, and who have rejected Jesus over something clearly dark, and 'satanic', have evidently lost their way, unless their way is to deceive from the outset.

 

He was likely fired by the nights of Vatican voodoo.