Was the Big Bang actually an "In the beginning"...

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  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Using MRI techniques scientists are working on this matter now.
    They have established that our Unconscious mind is very much alive and working with our Conscious mind all the time.
    We just do not notice these things.


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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Energy has defied description, and Physicist have been content to say it exists, and comes in seven different Forms.
    It can be turned on, Kinetic, or Potential Energy, waiting to be turned on.

    When energy is Turned On, we can measure how much is used to do whatever work it might do.
    But when Energy is working, it is subject to Time, and is actually Power, not energy itself.
    We do not know what Energy is, except it is a spirit-like thing which appears when Work is being done.
     
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    The verse doesn't say corners of the compass, now does it?
     
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    Well yes! The different parts of the brain are working together so that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. We don't even notice it, but it works with itself just the same.

    Recently it's come to my notice that quantum vibrations occur inside microtubules in the brain, and this means that consciousness has a quantum nature, and this allows it to operate in a superposition of states. Some might say its operating in several divergent states at once.

    Consciousness might be a quantum computer program running in our brain. This might mean that there are aspects of consciousness that we're not aware of yet.

    MRIs are a good start but we might need much finer tools to finish the job and measure the quantum nature of the brain. We're probably not there yet with the technology. But, perhaps, one day we'll understand.
     
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    This book was authored by a science guy who is very well known and did much of his physics with Hawkins.
    Things he write were amazing.
    He makes a case about us being like asleep, while we believe we are deciding things and making big decisions, our Unconscious mind is actually doing it, and we, unaware as we must be, do not even realize the inputs.
    What I see is a giant world of Unconscious minds all aware of one another, whispering new ideas to this and that guy, as progress proceeds.
     
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    Science might be just getting to the first concepts of the real secrets behind the human mind. Who knows what they will find. You never know...
     
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    He will make up something to explain it away acco9rding to his Bible.

    "And God said" Let there be light...AGAIN."
     
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    He wrote two books with Hawkins. The Grand Design argues that invoking a God into the explanation of the origins of the Universe is unnecessary.
     
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    In the beginning... it was the end of another time. My best bet is there's no end and no beginning in all things.
     
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    I didn't read his other books.
    Hawkins also denies a god exists and avoids the Copenhagen Interpretation which demands a Creator observe the first Elemental Wave Functions so they would collapse onto what becomes a material reality.

    But those ideas are replaced by recognition of the Collective Unconscious mind, since that is where Truth exists inside of man.
    Truth, born out of millions of years of experience by evolving mankind, establishes that personal experience we have to interact with our own Unconscious mind and know Reality for what it actually is.
    Truth is the image of Reality which is the meaning of the idea of an almighty god men must bow down before.

    Neither of these two scientists actually deny Reality.
    And both already accept Reality as lord over us all, as we either adapt and evolve, or become extinct.
     
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    So, for you, the Universe is not 13.5 Billion years old...?

    Time did not start ticking 13.5 Billion years ago??
    To avoid see that the Bible was correct, you will now deny Science since Scripture is confirmed by Science???

    I see you have Faith in atheism here just as many Bible people have long said it, too, is a "religion."
     
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    So, when we see that Science actually is confirming Scripture, you avoid that fact and claim it might not in the future.

    You then claim luck here, and that I'll find some way to change what Genesis says Science changes.

    Just admit that you were wrong, and let's take something like Light appearing after the Big Bang, millions of year it was Dark in the Cosmos, until Reality changes that.


    Gen. 1:3 And (as the universe goes transparent, the Father of Nature, Reality), God, said, Let there be light: and there was light (which then decoupled from matter with the first formation of atoms).
    Gen. 1:4 And (the Father of Nature, Reality), God, saw the light, that it was good: and (Father of Nature, Reality), God, divided the light from the darkness (as the stars formed and the Dark Age of 399.6 million years ended).
    Gen. 1:5 And (Father Nature, Reality), God, called the LIGHT day, and the darkness he called Night.
    And the evening (of the Formative Era) and the morning (of the Hadean Era) were the first "day:" [yowm, in the Hebrew = duration]
     
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    Who "recognises" this "mind"? They certainly don't.
     
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    ?
    The guy wrote the book which studies the Unconscious mind at work.
    What is your complaint on that??
     
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    They say time is an illusion and i believe in it. Science also confirms that time is a relative concept and not absolute as we tought it to be some time ago.
     
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    Yes, time can slow down,... true.
    The Solar Clock only works of Earth.
    Right.

    But Time is a Scalar measurement and always positive in value.
    By any clock, time began with the creation, and on Earth, was 13.5 billion years ago.
     

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