Watch the Overheated Rhetoric, PF People - Big Brother is Watching!

I'm speaking english.
I don't wear caps.
In other words it's irrelevant. The saying has no meaning. "it doesn't fit".

 

Now I'm talking to you. Ever been to a dry county. That's a control thing mate. Ever been to a supermarket that can't sell booze so you have to go to a government "liquor store". Another control thing. Ever wondered why you don't get casinos outside Nevada, Atlantic City and some "river bed"? Control thing again. Ever wondered why forty year olds get "carded" trying to buy alcohol in a restaurant in the USA? Yup...control thing...

When I'm in London, I can get a drink anytime I want. Legally. This is because I have actually been to England.

 

It's hilarious. I'm using a well used English expression. If you don't understand it then this represents a deficiency in your English comprehension.

I'm sure you can educate yourself by googling it.

 

and they call Americans ugly. I think it's another one of those evil is good, good is evil things. Your environment and people are so corrupted you can't be happy until everyone else is too.

 

Drivel. Use the Internet. It helps understanding.

 

It's always easier for people like you to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about the messes in other people's backyards instead of cleaning up the messes in their own backyards, Jack. We know how that works.

And yet, the courts and our Constitution did control the actions of our state, exactly as it was intended to do.

Reality - Give it a try some time, Jack. It'll do you good.

And, we're back to where every conversation with you invariably leads - your pathological obsession with Jews, Israel and Zionism. The only surprise is that you bothered to throw in a discredited Iraqi casualty count and the gratuitous claim that the Iraq war was "made up".

Tangentially, this fits in with your xenophobic narrative that the US government is "out of control" despite the evidence that the Raub case proves to the contrary.

All this proves is that you have a flair for the xenophobic, the ignorant, the gratuitous and the anti-Semitic, but that doesn't concern us or the subject of this thread, Jack.

Evidently, you were too preoccupied with your anti-American and anti-Semitic bleating to notice that our Constitution is a central feature of the issue we are discussing here. If that's a problem for you, ****.

And the Raub case proves otherwise, Jack. Like I said earlier, give reality a try sometime. Maybe one day, that and what you say might have a chance of crossing paths.

And you think your xenophobic bleating is right while ignore how America has defended Muslims in places like Bosnia and brown people in Africa, and entertain us with more of your anti-Semitic conspiracy theories that read right out of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

And yet, after all that long-winded prattle, you still couldn't answer the simple question that was posed to you.

 

Well said. Good post.
"You must spread some reputation around before you give it to Talon again."

 

Actually, I have NEVER been to a "government" liquor store...I can buy beer at Wal-Mart. I live an hour's drive or less from three casinos. You fail utterly. As usual.

 

Post 431.

Typical of what happens when you snort Ziocaine.

It rots the brain.

 

What does that mean?

 

I was truly laughing so hard, at his response.

'But I don't have a cap'.

 

heh heh...I knew all along but I'm not interested in trite, meaningless british expressions.
Sure got his panties in a wad, though and that's what's funny.

 

You're so cunning.

 

This "fail" schoolboy language is pathetic. But are you also ignorant of the restrictions put on Americans by conservative politicians? You don't seem to even know the difference between hard liquor (that in some states you cannot buy in a Walmart) and beer. And nowhere did I suggest that you can't go to other parts of America to get round these restrictions, just only to those places where the government decides you can go. Your rebuttal is rather silly don't you think!?

 

Not at all, mate. Not at all.

You guys are shallow and predictable.

 

Okay then.

But how is that going to help you, when the US state decides to come for someone you know?

What are you going to do then....tell them it's all my fault!

 

We have options.
It won't be overnight and it won't happen all at once but it has happened in the past to other countries and it always gets resolved the same way. Eventually the tide turns.

 

It's abut sending boys into a war, over and over and over again for no reason, then patting them on the back and sending them home broken. It is also using the paranoia that started the meaningless wars against the citizens that pay for them, not the citizen corporations they can do no wrong, but the citizen people, the humans, the sheep that supported the wars and the patriot act that is now being used against them.
Which you will remember you were warned about by the evil 'libs' and you righties laughed and told them to go take a shower.
Now how do you feel righties?

The further to the right we go as a nation, the worse it gets.

 

Funny, up to now you've been telling us it is the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZ.

How does it feel to be cut from the same cloth as the EDL, Jack?

 

Post 434 - typical Stormfront flunky response.

 

And yet, our country is moving further to the Left, and look what it's gotten Brandon J. Raub, a returning veteran who reveres individual freedom and is skeptical of government power - a person that Janet Napolitano & Co. has declared a potential right-wing terrorist.

 

Outside of the election of Obama I don't see how Nation is lurching to the left? Obama only got elected via a sick media that made its leg tingle as the Nation laughed but nevertheless Obama got elected, I don't see him getting elected again. In fact in '10 it would of seem the electorate showed its hand and conservatives (hopefully) won big, but the RNC an its mostly liberal leadership (ole' elected McCain's) are seemingly breathing their last breaths of influence.

Yet with Raub's story what did I witness, so called Conservatives mainly Romney supporters making the most liberal pleasing argument of "Liberty Vs Security". If the liberal ideas that threaten our Nation was only coming from one side of the aisle I would think things wouldn't be so bad but unfortunely the "Progressives" have a long arm of influence within the Republican Party. How many Republicans today speak highly of Theodore Roosevelt and think those were grand days of influence of the Republican Party?

The quiet march of a tyrannical government is ever so quiet as it slowly gets what it wants. It comes in many faces and the Republicans even so many conservatives is yet just another face of this monster. Look at the Conservatives self proclaimed of course, denouncing people like Ron Paul and I betcha if you watch them carefully they'll often show their hands. They seem to like popular type of ideas that seem what some call resonable like "Security Vs Liberty" that brought us acts like the "Patriot Act".

 

I'm incredulous that you haven't noticed these things - they've been going on for decades and haven't escaped the public's attention.

Setting aside Obama's election and the implementation of parts of his socialist agenda (ex., ObamaCare, etc.), there's the New Left's appropriation of of the media and our nation's educational institutions. I guess I could throw in a dishonorable mention to the entertainment industry but schools and the media are far more important and influential segments of our society.

I hope you're right about Obama, but the jury's still out on the GOP. Judging from the rise of TEA Partiers and Libertarians in the GOP you may be right, but I think it's going to be some time before the 'mostly liberal leadership' breathes its last breaths of influence.

Well, Americans of all political stripes have been deliberating over how to maintain the proper balance between liberty and security since the dawn of the Republic, and we will continue to do so for perpetuity. This is a proper and necessary thing. As for myself, I have never subscribed to the notion that maintaining our liberty and maintaining our security are mutually exclusive affairs, that we can only have one or the other. I think it's possible to have both.

Ron Paul is not an infallible man whose policies are above question and criticism. Furthermore, I don't buy into the hysteria that the USA PATRIOT Act consists entirely of measures that even begin to approach civil rights matters and concerns. I have problems with some of the provisions in the Act that could have easily been addressed and rectified, but on the other hand, some of the provisions, such as breaking down the unnecessary communications firewalls that the Clinton Administration held dear, were things that could have prevented the 9/11 attacks and have prevented more attacks to this day.

 

Back to Brandon J. Raub.

Today the Richmond Times-Dispatch reported that Raub held his first interview (with John Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute in Charlottesville, VA) since a judge ordered his release from the Veterans Affairs medical center in Salem. For those who are interested in watching it, here is the video:

[video=youtube;N5dA1N3S9Es]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5dA1N3S9Es[/video]

The aforementioned RT-D report (with video):

Raub offers first statements in Rutherford interview
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/...rs-first-statements-in-rutherford-ar-2154423/

 

I was referring to the idea that the Nation had shifted Left (for whatever good that term does) in a sudden event like the election of Obama. Yet with the TP an '10 elections it would appear that the population is still more conservative. Just the other day we witness CNN putting a outspoken nutcase on the hot seat, first time in how long? As far as the media and academia goes, it is no suprise they are left of center it has been that way for a long time in all societies. Yet I stand my ground, the US is still a conservative leaning Nation by all measures that do actually count.

In all honesty, the leadership of the GOP is a rather aged one, I don't see the Bush's having much control even though some are still enamored with the likes of Jeb but his days have gone by, hopefully. You could be right about being worried, I was really hoping that Romney would make a clean break and go with the likes of a Rand Paul type of candidate but we get Ryan, he is okay but a more of a outspoken civil liberties/social oriented pick would of been more to my desire. Yes but if Romney wins it will be likely 8 years which is an eternity in political parties so who really knows?

I would suggest that is where I came up with the title, "Progressive Conservative". Listen closely I mean this sincerely. The trouble we have seen since the days of Wilson or some would even suggest Lincoln is the idea that a free society can somehow manage to be a Empirical in nature, that the two can live in harmony, I simply don't buy it. Any Empire by its own nature needs to a lockstep populist to support it. America by its nature is not one that would fit your average "Empire" type of government. The Empire to exist needs a strongarm government not a limited government.

Who is suggesting that Paul is infallible? Either way, for better or worst he is one of the few desenting voices within the GOP suggesting that they along with the Democrats are complicit with violations of the Constitution of America an actively working against the liberties of the American People. As far as the Patriot Act goes, it was wrong then an wrong now. From what I hear you saying that the good points outweigh the bad points or worse, if this or if that it would of been better, it is what it is! Such as your assertions that it could of prevented 9/11, sure maybe could of? Yet without a doubt abuse such as the Raub story is a fact not a could of been might of been story! I'm not sure, was you one of the few that was defending the police action in the early postings of the Raub Story?

No there is several frequent posters that claim to be "Conservatives" that are actively beating down the left leaning member on these forums, but it would seem they are very liberal when it comes down to the hard facts of what they support! Only difference is that they want the government control to be under what they percieved to be correct leadership. Only thing I really ask is for people to be honest which is not all that easy nowadays I suppose it never was?