We All Knew This Was Coming

Trump was warned this was going to happen several times. His only response was to dismantle (sorry, "streamline" by putting all their personnel on other assignments) the actual Office of Pandemic Awareness. Other nations, particularly S. Korea started their response to this in January, and they followed the recommendations which they and several other nations had been given while Trump was still saying that Covid 19 was a hoax and would disappear in the summer. As a result direct result of this S. Korea, with a population fully ONE-SIXTH of ours, (50,000,000) has only just recently approached THREE HUNDRED DEATHS OVERALL. If we had done what they did with 6x the people we would now have a total of EIGHTEEN HUNDRED instead of WELL OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND dead. We would also be fully open by now and would never have shut down nearly as much as we have

Trump has the deaths of AT LEAST NINETY-EIGHT THOUSAND people on his hands. He has also cost us several trillion dollars. In any rational country, he would be in jail and awaiting trial on a long list of offenses rather than running for President again.

I understand that countries differ, they have different customs and varying populations, I could give you a few hundred, maybe even a few thousand or even ten thousand at the outside, but 98,000 PEOPLE??? I'm sorry but no, that many deaths cry out for some sort of justice to be done.

 

The truth is that most Americans have no belief anymore in their political system. Many people here on this forum who voted for Trump in 2016 boast about doing so again in November, but they are the same people that voted for Obama or Bush or whoever, without ever knowing why or didn't even care.
They long since lost hope for a better future, money-wise, job-wise, home-wise.

A such, they don't care what the message is; Yes we can or You can grab 'm by the p***y.
It all sounds the same for someone who doesn't listen for content.
And then there is the obligatory trip to the voting booth. Putting a cross in a box is one thing, knowing why is something completely different.

It's this lack of belief that Trump successfully exploits, with his fake news and rigged election rhetoric.
It's easy to seduce people who have no hope, with a message that doesn't fill them with any hope, nor get's them food on the table or money in the bank.
You wouldn't want to burden a voter with that because to try is to fail.
Hitler didn't do so and neither does Trump.

Trump doesn't want you to believe what he says, regarding fake news, rigged election etc
He just wants you to like what you hear.
No strings attached and it certainly won't improve your life.

This is why Trump loves the poorly educated because the poorly educated are, in fact, poor and an example of lost belief in politics.

Trump can be considered a racist or not a racist, vote-wise it doesn't matter.

If the voters represent the name of the winning candidate than Michelle Obama, if she runs, might be Trump in 2024.

 

Good lord!

 

Now this is the sort of thing I would expect to see happening if Trump is making sure he stays as President.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...-agents-into-cities/ar-BB175hOQ?ocid=msedgntp

Will emergency powers be needed?

 

If they are then he should use them. This isn't Trump trying to steal a country, it's Democrat Governors and mayors trying to give it away. Trump is doing the right thing even though it is exactly the thing they are trying to force him to do. Their spin is going to look like that little Tasmanian Devil from Bugs Bunny cartoons.

 

From what I have heard that kind of behaviour is not how the US usual works and Philadelphia's District Autorney says on first sight how the Feds themselves have been acting in Portland looks illegal.

I have just written what is basically a reply to what you have said in another thread. It's probably easier if I just copy it here.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ping-protesters.575676/page-2#post-1071892470

 

Did you watch the video of the people being arrested? Those were legal arrests and nobody got disappeared. I don't think anyone even spent a night in jail. The people in uniform were law officers and trained to do what they did. Mr. Krasner or whoever should get on with what he thinks is best. It is time someone did something to stop this mess.

 

No but I have seen other videos. I have seen the one of a woman being picked up by them. She went with no fuss and the people I saw talking about it believed that she was a plant....that she was there to get information for them. I obviously cannot comment on what you mention as I have not seen it but possibly if there was nothing to charge them for, they should not have been arrested

Krasner is responsible for People in Philadelphia being the District Attorney. I trust if he says they do not have a problem with violence then that is the case. He does say that they have some protests but that they are peaceful. Why on earth would he say that if it were not true.

I accept what you say about the training of the Feds, nonetheless they have been acting in an unacceptable way. Really the protests are about bad police behaviour which led to Floyd's death and woke up some people to the need for change. Being a democracy, people have the right to peacefully protest.

Here is an example of this being unacceptable violence from the Feds. This guy was doing nothing violent when he was attacked. He was holding a speaker above his head.

https://truthout.org/articles/trump...pping-and-brutalizing-protesters-in-portland/

They have also been stopping medics from doing their jobs.

https://news.yahoo.com/federal-forces-keeping-medics-doing-010741025.html

Attacking medics is a war crime. So the two suggestions are he is wanting to start a civil war and that it is just to please his base. I see both as credible because I am not convinced he will not try to find a way to stay if he loses the election which at the moment looks as near a cert as it could be (I am not a Biden supporter either!)

Obviously Chicago needs help but nothing like this and all of a sudden.

As far as I am aware the other places do not think they have a problem and have not asked for help. As I understand it sometimes the Feds do go into States to look for people but I believe this is usually with the agreement of the State.

After the first week or two we have heard absolutely nothing about these protests in the UK. If they really were as violent as Trump would have us believe I would imagine we would have heard but particularly when people living there with responsibility like Krasner say they do not have an issue with violence, then I would believe him and again the fact that all the States Trump has sent them into have been Democratic suggests it is political. Oh yes and people say they are appearing as military and rubber bullets can kill - though possibly they are using them so that they can shoot more people. They seemed to believe in Portland that they were being aggressive and violent towards the protesters to frighten them and stop them engaging in their democratic right of Protest.

I believe it is a stunt but one which could easily have serious ramifications.

 

No but I have seen other videos. I have seen the one of a woman being picked up by them. She went with no fuss and the people I saw talking about it believed that she was a plant....that she was there to get information for them. I obviously cannot comment on what you mention as I have not seen it but possibly if there was nothing to charge them for, they should not have been arrested

Krasner is responsible for People in Philadelphia being the District Attorney. I trust if he says they do not have a problem with violence then that is the case. He does say that they have some protests but that they are peaceful. Why on earth would he say that if it were not true.

Mr Krasner is responsible for and to all the people of Philadelphia and not just those who are protesting and rioting. I went to the twitter link and watched the kid hit by the projectile and then watched the next video in line. You should too.

 

I have got other things to do now but I have watched this one



Of course Krasner is responsible for the wellbeing of all the people. Do you really think other people will want people dressed as military throwing about tear gas and shooting people in the head with rubber bullets. They are not wanted in the States who are now themselves talking about this being an interference in Democracy.


My point in putting in that post was that to me this is the sort of action I would expect Trump to make if he has an intent not to accept the result of the election. If you have a particular interest just in the imposition of the Feds into States which say they do not want or need them then please go to the other thread or we will take this thread off topic.


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ping-protesters.575676/page-2#post-1071892962

 

What I see happening in several cities has nothing to do with Democracy and yes, tear gas and non lethal weapons are not only called for but are way over due. Enough already, get off the streets and send a delegation to talk terms with the Mayor and Governor. both have abdicated their responsibility to the people they represent and I' sure they will be willing to accept the generous terms offered by the anarchists.

 

Trump is getting us all used to the idea of Federal police under his direct control being a big presence on the streets. He is getting a several months head start in having his troops in place once he loses in November

 

I live in one of the reddest states in the Union. Nobody here is going to tolerate any dictator or coup, no matter who it is.

 

I would say it is certainly a provocation. However I do not think that Trump has what he would need to keep himself in power if he was not elected. My thinking was more that if they did work as Krasner was observing, as Agents Provocateurs, then it could be possible to create a State of Emergency which possibly could stop Elections from happening. Is Trump really as thick as he appears to be? Never mind his insane belief that he could work out the best way to get rid of Covid 19 by injecting detergent or whatever but I was also watching him talk about how sane and intelligent he was by reporting that he had, and it looked pretty much just, passed a test for not having Dementia. It does not look to me that Trump has the ability to work on any kind of strategy for holding onto power which would in any way work. I think Trump having a Narcissistic ego would be well up for holding onto power and he has even said he would, but I do not believe it would be Trump who was behind it - though that does not mean he might not know how to 'sell' it. I remember shortly after he became President when Jeremy Scahill and Chris Hedges were discussing Trump and Fascism, Hedges said, he has no private army. Now I heard people yesterday talking of him using the Feds as his private army but what Scahill said was also interesting. He pointed out that they already have access to that with Eric Prince in Government. They have Blackwater, now called Academi at their disposal. In addition to this it has long been spoken of Trump having the ability to persuade his minions to do his dirty work for him and it looks like he has begun impressing on them that if Biden gets into office he and the Democrats are going to destroy the US. I have seen one or two of them displaying their 'Patriotism' that they will not let this happen.

If Trump holds onto power I do not believe it will be because he lost the election. I believe it will be because a situation was created which allowed him to call an emergency and stop the election.....and it is not impossible it could lead to civil war.

 

Rather, it is a story of Trump not saying he will or will not.

If I were an American and he attempted to just ignore the election and call in the army to stage a coup I would take up arms and stand beside you, Alexa, like millions of others on my side of the fence.

Ironically this would probably bring the country together.

 

Well I am not an American so will be safe in Scotland

 

But wouldn't those deaths be a reflection of the State Governors inactions rather than the President's? I guess next you're going to blame the President for the city mayors as well?

You do realize we have a Constitution? The President's powers are quite limited.

 

Chris Wallace is an anti-Trump so he asks "do you still beat your wife" type questions of President Trump - questions no one asks Joe Biden.

 

Good for him. Democrats are already trying to cheat by pushing mail in votes + we had the Russia hoax. I don't think Trump should leave until every single vote is 100% verified.

 

You don't decide that. Trump does, from his fortified mansion.
You are not in control.

 

The military swears an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the U.S. ....
and obey the President. If Trump is not re-elected the military should escort him out of the White House, if needed, because he would no longer be President. This election must be conducted like all the others for this reason. With... of course... safety procedures in place.

 

The Constitution hasn't really "limited" the White House a lot since WWII, especially not in the areas of National Emergencies and Disasters. This is a constant thing with Republicans. Problems that affect the whole nation get a lot of finger-pointing and buck-passing but little else

Trump could have easily done most of what the smaller Asian countries did entirely on the Federal level. and he could have overseen and coordinated State and even local government's actions to help with the rest. Instead, he said Covin was a hoax and the Feds even threatened to confiscate the PPE that the Governor of MD had went and gotten on his own. If he wasn't going to be of any help the least he could've done would have been to get back out of the way.

 

LOL. We most certainly are. People who have never experienced freedom can not understand those of us who have. There are people in every state that will not stand for dictatorship, but red states like mine are red because they are full of people who want to be responsible for themselves. We don’t want a nanny or a dictator. If the whole country wanted a dictator we would have one.

Trump just had the perfect opportunity to become a dictator—a global pandemic. And he let states do what was best for their citizens. Of that I approve wholeheartedly.

 

So Trump plans to rig the 2020 election by sending in ''storm troopers'' to cities where he is behind in the polls.
He thus hopes that causing anarchy in those cities might suppress democratic voter turn-out on 3th of November.

But if he still loses the election he will object to the result.
- So he is gonna appeal it.
- Or he goes straight to dictator mode by calling for an uprising amongst his base. Civil anarchy.

Whether he gets away with it is beside the point; Trump is nuts so you have to be prepared for his insanity.

The situation is out of control because Trump is out of control.

 

I can't help but think of the Hurricane in New Orleans when the city was drowning. The national guards couldn't go into the State unless they were asked by the Governor, yet the Democrat governor refused to ask Bush. The liberal media then began blaming Bush for not sending in the guards - knowing full well it was the Governor's fault. Then to top it off, most of the recovery funds were stolen by - you guessed it, by the Democrat Mayor.

It would be a real tragedy if senile Biden was elected, because then the country would be under his sociopath handlers, unless we have a civil war - which we might.