We Don't Have a Gun Problem, We Have a Black Problem

You are, objectively, a racist. I don't think you would even deny that allegation.

Now, let's turn to the inherent fallacy of your argument. You are relying on conviction data, right? Do you think that every crime results in a conviction? No. Is it possible that there are inherent reasons why some races may suffer a higher conviction rate when compared to other racial counterparts? Yes.

As a matter of fact, we can use survey data to prove that black people use illegal drugs at rates which are roughly equal to their white counterparts (actually loer for nearly every drug, but crack). And yet, black people make up a tremendously higher percentage of individuals convicted for drug possession. There is zero reason to think that conviction data for other crimes don't suffer from those same discrepancies.

And then, you need to take into account the issue that there are other variables which are much more important for predicting crime and explaining racial disparities, like poverty, for example. The poor are more likely to commit certain types of crime and black people are more likely to be poor. So it stands to reason that black people may be slightly more likely to commit certain kinds of crime because they are also slightly more likely to be the financially poor person who would need to/want to commit that type of crime.

 

No you wouldn't. I'm talking about people who have ALREADY been convicted of a crime. They are not innocent victims. They are offenders.

 

Because we'd be ignoring 67% of rapes is why. A person truly interested in criminal justice would profile some common denominators and apparently race simply isn't it. You'd be a helluva lot closer profiling by gender.

 

For you to support your claim, yes.

 

No actually I'm using arrest or conviction. Really doesn't matter which.

And those black people in regards to drugs receive worse convictions because they commit their crimes with guns, they have prior records and they don't hire attorneys.

Show me ANY evidence that those three things equal, blacks get more severe punishment.

 

But you were saying that laws could be written into the penal code that discriminate against black Americans because laws exist which discriminate against white Americans. But you have no examples of penal code laws which discriminate against white Americans. So you were pulling things from your ass.

 

That's completely false. Just because you increase punishments on one group doesn't mean you ignore crimes committed by other groups. They simply don't get an increased punishment.

 

Legal discrimination based in race is acceptable, or it is not.
You choose.

 

No. If there are laws on the books, penal code or otherwise, that discriminate against whites. Then it MUST be acceptable to have laws on the books, penal code or otherwise, which are discriminatory against other races.

 

The rest of my post covers this. If someone is able to cover up their crime or not fall into the CJS after the crime in the first place, then they aren't counted as violent offenders.

We have many that fall into this category so using race when we don't even have a fraction of violent offenders accounted for is a problem.

 

False.
Concentration of a demographic over-represented in a criminal activity does not in any way necessitate ignoring the rest.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opinion/sunday/unequal-sentences-for-blacks-and-whites.html

 

In the case of the criminal code (since this is a thread about violent crime) there is no discrimination against white Americans.

 

They do. But I notice you did not mention that

 

Two wrongs make a right? When would that be?

 

San Bernadino, Sandy Hook, Charleston, Vegas, Virginia Tech, Navy Yard in DC, Lafayette movies, Aurora shooting, Chattanooga, Waco in 2015.

Just to name a few.

 

It is acceptable if you meet strict scrutiny. Make your case

 

Find me a law that explicitly discriminates against white people and I'll tell you why it's constitutional (almost certainly because it does not explicitly discriminate against white people).

 

lol wouldn't the same thing be true for blacks? Don't we expect that many of the black violent offenders don't get caught? So your point doesn't make any statistically significant difference whatsoever.

 

No they don't. Show me a source.

 

I see - you want racial discrimination to be OK when you think it is OK, and not OK when you think it is not OK.

Thus, you don't -really- care about racial discrimination.

 

Sure no problem.

http://smallbusiness.chron.com/tax-incentives-using-minorityowned-business-30659.html

 

This does not prove your claim. Congrats on the fail.

 

Absolutely not. If these are not okay then discrimination against whites should not be okay. But if discrimination against whites is constitutional then discrimination against blacks must be as well.

 

Actually it does. I mentioned several mass shootings earlier, I did just that.

I win.