Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide?

You mean the Trail of Crybabies? The Indians were sore losers who would have committed genocide against the advanced White species who were trying to build something here after millennia of Stone Age gangs living like wolfpacks. The obsolete species developed nothing when the resources under their feet were abundant enough to create widespread prosperity and benefit the whole world.

 

you obviously know nothing of the lifestyles of the Cherokees so removed. go read some history

 

Maybe I'm just mad that my Houston Oilers had a 35-3 lead against Buffalo and we blew it. Being a sore loser is par for the course on this thread.

 

I agree - there really isn't a simple yes or not to this question which oversimplifies the complex relationship between Native Americans, European settlers and their American descendants.

Living in Virginia where the fighting between the native Americans and European settlers first began, I am often struck at how many people conveniently or ignorantly overlook the fact that the Indians also attacked and massacred European and American settlers (and each other, for that matter). These tribes, like any other people who lost a war, were anything but passive victims of genocide. Of course, that doesn't excuse the unwarranted excesses and atrocities that were committed against some native tribes.

 

who said they were passive?

 

Destroying the buffalo had consequences.

http://www.politicalforum.com/envir...rsing-desertification-livestock-zimbabwe.html

 

Yes, yet another cultural genocide. Genocide never ends with white people; it's all we do. Well, us and the Jews in flying saucers.

 

Destroying Imaginary claims you think I've made is about all you can 'destroy', and even that will be imaginary as well.

 

They seem 'unwarranted' from the comfort of the present. To people subjected to their attacks they were a very real existential threat, and I doubt they cared about what somebody might think of them a couple of hundred years down the road.

 

The Cherokee and Choctaws were also slave holders.

 

Of course it did; it slowed down global warming.

 

It only makes sense if the whites went into new environments which were less lethal than the environments that they were used to.

 

It ultimately brought on the Dust Bowl.

 

The Cherokee were paid several million dollars and Federal aid in the form of supplies, tools, etc., along with an equal amount of land to relocate, and given two years to move. The tribal chiefs voted something like 79 to 7 in favor of moving. They took the money, and then later decided they wouldn't move after all, nor did they feel like returning the money

. The Georgia state militia committed the atrocities, the Cherokees never having been 'good neighbors', raiding farms as a favorite hobby and pastime.

Jackson wanted them out because they were a threat to the U.S., being willing to take up arms on behalf of the British and Spain or France, being mercenaries, and Jackson of course remembered the Creeks siding with Britain during the 1812 war and who would have tipped the balance in favor of the British if they hadn't jumped the gun and massacred settlers at an American fort, so, no,, it wasn't just some racist whim to relocate them.or many of the other tribes. The tribes' friends in Congress also advised them to move, as it was the only way they would be able to maintain their own cultures and lifestyles more or less intact.

 

The Dust Bowl was caused by centuries of unnatural Indian farming techniques, and the Jews cutting down the olive trees, and centuries of over-grazing by buffalo and their flatulence. We came late, and much damage had already been done, but there is still hope, and the slaughter bought the planet some time.

 

The Indians that Jackson betrayed fought with Jackson in 1812..

The issue was gold... So the whites took over the farms of the Indians during the Great Removal.

 

True, but I'm talking about incidents like the Gnadenhutten massacre, which were unwarranted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnadenhutten_massacre

 

The Battle of New Orleans was fought over several weeks at the end of 1814 and start of 1815.

 

http://history1800s.about.com/od/americamoveswestward/a/Indian-Removal-And-The-Trail-Of-Tears.htm

The Great Removal and the Trail of Tears.

 

I was referring to the Battle not the Removal.

 

Prometheus did. it destroys his argument and that's who I was conversing with till u butted in

 

Chicken pox is not genocide.

 

Wiping out the plains buffalo is what killed the Indians.. along with smallpox, chicken pox, measles, and VD.

 

The claim of 12 million is merely speculation; the low end is around 1.1 million, and disease accounts for over 90% of the deaths, regardless of the numbers.

 

Jackson didn't betray any Indians; most were allies of Tecumseh and Britain in the War of 1812, and of Spain in the Seminole Wars in Florida in 1818 or so.

Are you sure it wasn't their olive trees? The issue was people living near them not wanting to be massacred in the next wave of indian raids.