Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide?

lol, they bought off the chiefs knowing full well the rank and file wouldn't go. racist pukes.

 

Leftists always define questions/issues in terms of "race", "gender", "skin color", "sexual orientation", etc. Leftists are unbelievably bigoted, and extremely ignorant on the subject of "race". They most often speak of whites/caucasians as being racists etc. They fail to note that Native Americans may well have descended from ethnic groups that are considered Caucasoid. As with most other conflicts in history, the conflict between Europeans and Native Americans was a cultural one, not a racial one. Europeans survived the conflict, whereas Native Americans barely survived the conflict. Whites receive blame from the left because white Europeans won the conflict. The left despises winners, for most leftists themselves are losers.

 

may well have !! lol

 

if I didn't know you were serious I might've mistaken that post for sarcasm, but no it's just a really stupid post...

 

that's kind of hypocritical don't ya think? ...someone flies a plane into a building and the US goes beserk with vengeance even attacking countries(Iraq) that had nothing to do with the event...I think the natives were well with in the accepted norms for the time in defending their lands, it's what ever other nation would have done...

 

but god didn't want them to

 

Outstanding!

 

Where's the hypocrisy? The natives attacked us and lost. The Al Qaeda attacked us and lost. Sounds consistent to me.

 

Thats Buffalo genocide, maybe

 

Most people really have no idea of what the conflicts with the Indians were.

Predominantly, the wars were fought between the US and the more nomadic tribes. These were groups that had historically fought among each other, and were used to driving each other off of lands the other coveted. This was simply their way of life, much like how many of the nomadic peoples of Europe, Asia and Africa have long fought against each other and the more "civilized" city dwellers.

People talk about "genocide", and really have no idea what that means (or have badly distorted it). No, there was no "genocide", because there was no effort to eliminate them as a people. The only desire was to crush the warlike tribes so they would stop attacking. Because while everybody knows of the wars against tribes like the Apache and Lakota (which even most other tribes detested), you had peaceful relations with a great many other tribes.

The Seneca, Mohawk, Penobscot, Passamaquoddy, Coeur d'Alene, Machapunga, Missiquoi, and a great many other tribes lived peacefully with the Americans and there was no strife any different then what you had among neighbors in any other place.

If you look at most of the cases of the wars, the idea was to stop the attacks, not to eliminate the tribes. And the "disappearance" of the groups has been primarily from intermarriage and the usual dispersal into the US population.

How many in here have 1 or more Indian ancestor? My maternal great-grandfather was born on a reservation. And it is hard to find anybody who's family has been here more then 3 generations that does not have Indian ancestors. Johnny Depp, Kevin Costner, James Earl Jones, Dolly Parton, Della Reese, Lou Diamond Phillips, Selena, Burt Reynolds, Loretta Lynn, Cameron Diaz, Crystal Gayle, and James Garner.

And that is just a list of famous people that are of Cherokee descent.

No, the Indians were not eliminated, they became us. And we became them.

 

Of course some native Americans were the victims of genocide, there were attempts at "The extirpation of the savages", that was genocide, albeit not on a continental scale. Most of the reduction of the population was inadvertent, caused by the introduction of diseases, not as a planned extermination, but by accident.
After that it was a lot of local stories, the Pilgrims allied themselves to one tribe, against other tribes in region, it was to their mutual benefit, by the time 1620 had rolled around something like 90% of the native population of New England had died from diseases that had already made their way across the continent.
One of these tribes, now greatly reduced, and still fearing their old enemies, saw the Pilgrims could be used as an ally, and the Pilgrims saw the tribe as an ally in a land in which they were hopelessly out numbered.
So the relationship between european settlers and the native americans was complicated and involved many aspects and at times there was genocide, but that went both ways.

 

I accept the concept of cultural genocide and there is no doubt that successive governments practiced it

 

The Jews exterminated the buffalo. I don't know how or why, but that's because the Jews control almost everything we read and I can't find a link for their nefarious cruelty to animals yet. But I will prove it soon by an infallible link to a Jew-free website. I work on this night and day--well, maybe not all night. After all, I have to service my Eva Braun lovedoll too. In a dream, the Fuhrer told me to keep her happy. She doesn't even mind the swastika I have branded on my forehead. She thinks it's cute.

Just to see if you get it about whose behind all these crimes the thread mentions, I'll give you three guesses on who branded me. And no cheating! I hate cheating, because that's what you-know-who do.

 

And there were hundreds of trails of tears made by the White children they orphaned and kidnapped. But one big Trail stopped all that.

 

All environments are lethal. "Clean Air" is the most toxic of all. It is full of predatory bacteria and viruses, which pollution kills.
WARNING: THIS IS NOT WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD TO THINK! UNTHINK IT IMMEDIATELY!

 

speaking of no idea you can sit in the corner with the others until you learn your own history...it's embarrassing when people in other countries know more about it than you do...if you don't even know your own history you have no business telling them about theirs because you really don't have clue...


then go look up the agreed upon definition of genocide, a definition agreed to by the USA in international law, at no time does it require total elimination of a people, only destruction of a ethnic/religious/political group cohesion/resistance by targeting them with death is sufficient for the to be classed as Genocide...

 

lol! he obviously never heard of joseph brant

 

they can't even comprehend what genocide is and now you throw cultural genocide at them, I foresee brains exploding all across the US trying to understand that mind boggling concept...

 

I aim to confuse

 

So it was genocide and cultural genocide that caused my family to actually leave the reservation?



No, that is not "cultural genocide", it is simply adapting to reality and trying to make a better way of life. My great-grandfather was born before the turn of the century in poverty. He got education, left the reservation, started his own business, and married a woman who was actually from a well off Ohio family. By the time he retired he was fairly well off, and was still proud of his heritage until he died.

Honestly, I think the real racists are those that think they should still be hunting buffalo, wandering as nomads and trading wampum. Because I guess to them that is the "correct Indian culture".

 

great your family did well. we don't want you feeling sorry for the ones that had their spirit ripped out of them in the residential schools or the ones born to fetal alcohol syndrome and doomed to a life of misery. don't give a second thought to any of those, you MADE it! bravo, youre a hero!

 

And once again, what do you think the solution is? Returning them to a life as nomads wandering around with horrible high infant mortality rates like they had 150 years ago?

This is the thing that always gets me. People for some reason romanticize the life of yesteryear, not realizing how horrible it really was. Do you think many would willingly go back to that existence now?

So tell me, what is the solution?

 

if I knew the solution i'd be too busy to be sitting here talking to folks like you

 

Replanting all the olive trees, and some other stuff I forget.

Oh, and vote for Democrats.