Were the elections stolen from Trump?

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  1. spiritgide

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    The question comes from the probability along with the irregularities.

    Consider every presidential campaign you can remember- and how hard-fought they were, how candidates were on the road, at rallies, on the TV, working days, traveling nights to reach voters.
    Biden spent most of the time in his basement. Never spoke live to a crowd larger than about 50. What are the chances that would work?

    Bear in mind that Biden was never a trend-setter in demand- just a plodder as politicians go. Previous attempts at the position failed quickly, and at those times he was far more active and capable, far better at interacting rationally with people. Look up some videos from previous campaigns, and you quickly realize that he wasn't bringing 50% of what the used to be to the table.

    Look at the numbers and how the count came down. Sudden increases in Biden votes appeared at the last minute in swing states, on a scale never seen before. Those were accompanied by a lot of disruption in the established voting processes, and a lot of efforts to block pole-watching and normal steps used to insure accurate voting and counting.

    The list of such things is pretty large- and too far off the charts to assume they are natural.

    It's not just that it was Trump; if the same thing happened in any campaign. people being honest with themselves would know that things were being manipulated, and that should upset anyone.

    Biden's performance so far is probably the worst in living history, and that was expected by many- including me. But we owe anyone elected a chance. Biden's not in trouble because conservatives aren't supporting him, he's created his own problems.

    In many ways, one can boil down the contrasts between Biden and Trump with their campaign slogans, and of course, what people believed.
    Trump's "Make America great Again' was simple. Build up the strength and quality of the nation- not unlike building a business or a ball team. To do that, you have to have the right people on the team, with the right objectives and values. I can tell you from my own career in business, you don't build a company that's good for anybody, owner or employee, by lowering your standards. You may need to train and help some people achieve, but you don't lower the bar, don't become a charity to help all those who won't reach for a better life on their own. That is self destruction, not building.

    Biden's slogan was "Build back better". How is that being done? Now we have thousands of illegals crossing the southern border- unvetted, many criminals, drug dealers, human traffickers- with Bidens approval. We have a hundred thousand Afghans that pretty much fit the same description. The air bases providing temporary homes for people evacuated as "translators" are calling for translators... because so few of those "translators" don't speak english. Biden is building back?? He's building team America with people who have no idea or intent of contributing anything to this country, and establishing standards that say that's just fine.

    These differences are obvious to anyone willing to examine facts.

    In the mixture of who these presidents were- Trump certainly had his faults, but his strengths were exceptional. IF you put personality ahead of performance, you could find many problems with Trump.
    Biden on the other hand is more diplomatic, but even in that, it's clear that he is lost. His reasoning capacity is irrational. His own staff has to protect him because he can't think on his feet; literally he's not "in charge" of the job he has. In this particular job- that is a fatal fault. It's unfortunate that this has happened to the man, but far more unfortunate that the man sits in the world's most demanding job and is not anywhere close to having the ability to handle it. I don't think he ever was, but he's far, far less capable of it today than he was the first time he ran. Look up his old campaign videos; it obvious.,

    The government, at least in the historical and constitutional sense of things- works FOR the people. When a government works to take control of the people's choices, to invade their privacy and diminish their freedom, they are not working for us- but for the power to control us. Both parties are guilty of this to some degree, but it's been drastically accelerated by democrat control where ever that exists around the country. What Americans will get- is directly proportional to what we will tolerate. Unless we are flat out stupid, we will keep strength and performance and faith in the nation higher on the list than the nice guy rating when we hire leaders. Regardless of all else- if you can't do the job well, you don't belong in the job.

    It's easier to tell people someone else is to blame and someone else will take care of them, as if there were some entity besides people to pay the bills and do the work. People want to hear and believe that, and they will vote for it- but it's a lie, and it has always been a lie. If we believe it- we deceive ourselves. Nobody we have in office is perfect, but I want leadership that doesn't think lying to us is better choice.
    The worse this situation gets, the worse the choice of candidates in the future will get- and no truly honorable or reputable person will ever want the job. Think about that. The respect that used to be given the office of president has been destroyed. If you were president, no matter how well you did the job- there would be people willing to throw trash on you and insult you everyday. Nobody with character and self-respect would tolerate that. In doing so, we condemn our own future.

    I'd be happy to say I was wrong about Biden and he has turned out to be a great president- IF that were not the ultimate lie.
    While things are in bad shape, I believe it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. If we survive, we will be forever damaged by what is happening to our nation right now.
    This is the difference in where leadership has taken us.
     
  2. Xyce

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    Trump, who has only run for president twice (once in 2016 and again in 2020) won more votes than Bill Clinton and Obama did in both of their bids for the presidency. Biden has been running for president for the last 30 years, and never made it out of the Democrat primaries, yet in 2020, when all the basic voter integrity laws go away, when there is a widespread increase in the implementation of absentee voting, Biden, this loser, wins more votes than Trump, Clinton, Obama, and every other person who has ever run for the presidency in the history of the United States?

    My friend, it doesn't pass the smell test.

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  3. Cybred

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    So you guys can't comprehend how disliked trump is.
     
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    The Trump campaign was given less than 2 months to prove widespread voter fraud. Considering the improbability of a Biden win, there should be a special counsel investigation into the 2020 election. It should be investigated. We need to have a Mueller-type investigation into the 2020 election.
     
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    Disliked by Democrats? Oh, no, I see the TDS clearly. But Steven Colbert is not America.
     
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    Trump won in 2016 because people voted AGAINST Hillary.
    Biden won in 2020 because people voted AGAINST Trump.
     
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    And in two months you guys should have found something, but you didn't.
     
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    Woah, woah, woah. Hold on there. No, I was told during the four years of the Trump presidency, especially in the first two, that Trump won because of Russian collusion. Remember, we had a whole investigation about it that influenced the 2018 midterm election, given Democrats the House? Yeah, remember that? It's not only fair, but righteous, that we have a Special Counsel investigation into the 2020 presidential election.
     
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    That hilarious coming from the crowd that supports the ongoing congressional investigation into January 6th, despite it being over 7 months since then. Additionally, voter fraud is very hard to identify, considering the particular methodological analysis that is required to prove voter fraud on a local level (1), save a widescale one.

    1. https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390443864204577621732936167586
     
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    So you can't understand how MULTIPLE factors can play a part. Got it.
     
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    More than likely, there was at least election fraud tilted towards Biden. There were too many statistical anomalies that when considered individually doesn't really mean much but when considered together is significant. Plus all of the last minute changes to local election processes....

    I don't care if Biden won or Trump though as I find voting an immoral act.

    All elections are fraudulent to some extent anyways.
     
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    Because the wrong that was committed in the elections cannot be translated into a language that is understandable through pure scholastic jargon. We are talking about two worlds colliding here. Imagine 2Pac trying to explain the totality of his life experiences in the hood to an individual like Bill Gates. It’s a completely different language.

    I refer you once again to the McDonald’s example. Corporate believed everything was fine and dandy because that’s what the reviews were telling them. But the quality of the restaurants continued to decrease! The fraud was being done on the level of the streets, hence the significance of the minority here.

    The courts are occupied by individual psyches that did not experience nor survive on the streets, but were raised with mental attitudes wherein their outlook on life is rooted in books and cerebral phenomena. This is precisely why the Supreme Court struck down the elections suit, despite it being occupied by judges whom Trump personally advocated for.

    (No surprise of course that Justice Clarence Thomas was the only one who took the case seriously, which I think only reinforces my premise).
     
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    That's not true. The 2016 election, which was scrutinized by Bob Mueller--or as you all grandiosely called him, Robert S. Mueller III--and company for a year and a half, was the most scrutinized election. We're asking for the same thing to be done: have a special counsel investigation into the 2020 election, especially considering the circumstances, which was apt for fraud, in which it was held.

    That's also untrue. All basic voter integrity laws were washed away during the 2020 election. Furthermore, there was a widespread implementation of absentee voting, which increases voter fraud. Given the complex analysis required to prove, not divine, widespread voter fraud, the given timetable (less than 2 months) to prove widespread voter fraud was absurd, as it was nothing short of an impossible standard to meet. Again, there should be a special counsel investigation into the 2020 election, considering the absurd, outrageous circumstances in which it was held, with, for example, an election season, as opposed to an election day.
     
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    Here is the problem with the OP premise/thesis. You are using a conclusion to prove it. And you conclusion is built on matchsticks. IOW, it a shaky house that cannot stand on it's own because it's held up purely by what you CHOOSE aka WANT to believe. IOW, you have bought in or created a self fulfilling FANTASY.
    I have to ask you two questions:
    1. If the all powerful deep state is controlled by democrats, why did they only rig the presidential election? Do you actually believe that they were that short sighted?
    2. Have you seen and listened to the Ron Johnson video that's been circulating recently? It's pretty honest:
    https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemo...16619/?__so__=permalink&__rv__=related_videos
     
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    What happened to the election scrutineers? There should be scrutineers from each party overnighting the counting. BTW how many legal challenges to the election have been successful? As for the audit - scam+++. All these weeks and what are the findings?
     
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    What happened to the election transparences? There should be transparency from each party overseeing the counting.

    Answer your own questions.... How can so many people sign affidavits under penalty of perjury and not a one is looked at. All of them could not have been inadmissible...
     
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    I’m a conservative. I truly don’t believe there was voter fraud.

    Here’s my conspiracy. I think the mass mail in ballots due to covid, taxing the rich to give the poor more handouts, promise of paying student loans, and the promise of free money was a perfect way to ensure every lazy person had their vote in. Literally it was the perfect way to ensure a democrat win.

    There are much more have nots in this country than haves. People don’t typically become homeowners until after 35. The average business owner is 50 years old. When it comes to actual property ownership before the age of the 35 you’re talking maybe a couple cars. I would argue that anyone 35 or younger would love the free handout party. It’s rare you find youth that supports property rights because they have none. They would rather take from those who have worked to get it than go out and get it on their own.

    The democrats woke up that crowd by feeding them pipe dreams that in the end will reduce their chance at affordable successes in life. But it sells


    So in the end, no voter fraud. Just a sign of future times
     
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    I wouldn’t argue that the deep state is controlled by the Democrats. It’s rather the case that the Democrats are more easily swayed and manipulated by the deep state, and that’s probably due to their lack of religiosity, tradition, and honor.

    What’s the significance of this video?
     
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    Why not answer the first question: Why did the Dems just rig the POTUS election only?
    As for the video, watch it but I think you already know the answer given you lack of interest in your own thread and wishful thesis.
     
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