Were the laws of thermodynamics broken on 9/11 in addition to the laws of physics?

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  1. Bob0627

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    You don't seem to understand very much at all about this topic (as shown by your posts) nor do you know anything about what I know. But you do post a lot of unsupported claims despite.
     
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    Only and idiot would write such a headline.
     
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    One way to check the seriousness of the grand jury is to check whether the main street media as paid any attention. So far they have completely ignored it. No CNN, NBC, CBS, Fox, NY Times, Washington Post etc.. Nada. Only the conspiracy nut sites.
     
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    Yet there is a serious ongoing special grand jury investigation despite the MSM.

    https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11...-berman-will-comply-with-18-usc-section-3332/

    I doubt that US Attorney Geoffrey Berman is not taking this seriously.

    The MSM also never bothered to report the destruction of WTC7, does that mean it never happened?
     
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    But they are not bothering to cover it.
    I have found reports from MSM covering WTC7
     
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    Correct, they will likely avoid it like the plague. That has nothing to do with the seriousness of the case.

    That's possible but very rare. The destruction of WTC7 should have been reported just like everything else about 9/11. The result is that many people still never heard of it to this day. Even Donald Rumsfeld claimed he never heard about it almost 3 years ago.

    https://newspunch.com/video-donald-rumsfeld-claims-he-never-heard-of-wtc-7/



    EDIT: The 9/11 Commission Report never mentions it either.
     
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    I should clarify that the MSM did cover it ON 9/11 and at least 3 different MSM outlets even claimed WTC7 collapsed while it was still standing, but virtually nothing following 9/11.
     
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    MSM is not covering the grand jury. That should tell you something.
     
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    It was reported.
     
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    It does and I fully expected the MSM to suppress the 9/11 grand jury story just like they suppress every story that might upset the official 9/11 narrative.
     
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    That is just about the most ridiculous statement I have heard in a long time. Upsetting an official narrative has never bothered them in the past, especially a republican narrative.
     
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    The average weight of an automobile is 2 tons. A baseball weighs about 5 oz. Yet a baseball hit against a car window will shatter it.

    How's your analogy using the weights of objects work now?
     
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    I guess you just ruled out thermite/thermate eh?
     
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    It was not "crushed". The connections between components were sheared by the falling debris.

    It was paint, not nanothermite.
     
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    The official 9/11 narrative (a conspiracy THEORY created and promoted by the Bush administration and their puppets) has been accepted as fact by all political parties and that encompasses the entire US government. What's ridiculous is the above, YOU're the one who claimed the MSM is not covering the grand jury story and I agree so there is no controversy with that fact. The official 9/11 narrative is and has been used as a pretext for waging an endless war for the $$$benefit of the military industrial complex so there is a tremendous financial incentive to keep the narrative intact. Any opposition to or controversy about the 9/11 narrative has and is being demonized relentlessly by the MSM and the US government. 9/11 was the gift that keeps on giving. If you think the facts and history are "ridiculous" that's ok with me, I wouldn't want to shatter your world view, but that's just sheer denial of reality.
     
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    This is from a Julian Charles (JC) interview with Kevin Ryan (KR) referring to temperatures of 600°C from an article titled "Why Are NIST’s 9/11 WTC Reports False and Unscientific?":

    JC: And yet, when I turn back to that article by Bažant and Verdure, they say that “because a significant amount of steel insulation was stripped” – (they make that claim) – “many structural steel members heated up to 600°C”. They then go on to say that “at 600°C” “about 85%” of the yield strength is lost. So they’re claiming that many structural steel members did in fact get up to that temperature.

    KR: Yes, as we see in the NIST Report – the NCSTAR1-3C and NCSTAR1-3E reports – the physical tests show that none of the steel samples taken from the Towers reached a temperature of 600°Celsius. So there is absolutely no evidence for what professor Bažant is contending. None of the steel recovered from the WTC Towers and tested by NIST reached the temperature of 600° Celsius; there is simply no physical evidence for that contention.

    JC: Well, it’s amazing that you say that, because that quote actually references the NIST study. It says, “NIST 2005” : “many structural steel members heated up to 600° C, as confirmed by annealing studies of steel debris (NIST 2005)”.

    KR: Yes, so it’s clear there’s a problem there. They make it very clear in their report that they did this paint deformation test, and also a steel microstructure test. A steel microstructure test shows very clearly that if anything had reached 600° C, it would have formed what are called spheroids; there would have been a steel microstructure effect called spheroidisation. None of the steel samples from the WTC showed that; therefore none of those samples had reached a temperature of 600° Celsius.

    JC: And yet, in their next step, NIST says that whatever sagging of floor assemblies did take place, this was sufficient to pull the exterior columns inwards. Bažant and Verdure say this was due to “catenary action” (a lateral force produced by the chain-like curvature of the steel that was able to pull the sides inwards). Do you buy that?

    KR: No, I don’t buy it, because I’m looking at the direct evidence, not at hypothetical statements as Bažant and company are doing. If you look at the actual physical evidence – again, from the tests that my Company, UL, did on behalf of NIST for their investigation – you see that, when the floor assemblies were put in the furnaces and tested for the standard test, the sagging of the floors was only about 3 inches in the middle of the 35-foot-long span of floor assembly. This was with basically all the fireproofing removed. They had a series of models made with decreasing amounts of fireproofing applied, and even the one that basically had no fireproofing on it only sagged about 3 inches in the middle, and the major joist parts did not sag at all.


    https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-are-nists-911-wtc-reports-false-and-unscientific/5399091
     
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    You are quite the level of stupid. Does that car then fall apart and disintegrate to the ground?
     
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    I am still looking for your "facts"
     

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