Why? Its my desire to reduce abortions to an absolute minimum, or eliminate altogether, but I do not believe governments making is illegal is the most effective approach. However, as I mentioned, the States should have the final say in the matter. Most effective way to reduce abortions is to prevent unplanned pregnancies in the first place, and ironically the same people who are most vocal against abortion (for political reasons) also oppose the most effective methods to preventing unplanned pregnancies. This can only mean their opposition to abortion is purely political, and nothing to do with preserving life.
Although the final one is worded poorly, I agree with all of those statements. Now, I have a couple of questions for you: [1] Are all of those specific stages you list, with regard to the topic of this thread, concerning the homo sapien sapien (human) species? If not, then what species are they? [2] How can all of those different stages of human life occur if the homo sapien sapien (human) that is going through all of them is not living (IOW, is dead)?
The most effective method to "prevent" (eliminate) unplanned pregnancies is to not have sex outside of marriage in the first place (abstinence).
Contraception works too, and not only outside marriage but also in marriage. It makes no sense for married couple to have 10 kids if it puts you in a hard place financially (and otherwise). Asking people to be celibate is wishful thinking, which makes is the most ineffective method. Heck, we have been asking for it for decades, and here we are.
Correct. It works quite well for the most part. The only 100% foolproof method remains to be abstinence though, if the 100% guarantee is vital. Bingo. It is unwise for a married couple to have kids that they can't afford and properly care for. Indeed, many people choose to reject wise advice, due to the allure of sex (and a plethora of other reasons).
It's not foolproof when people are incapable of following through. Its like the 10 Commandments. They are all great ideas, but no one could keep them.
What is so poorly worded about the last one? It is a fact that fertilisation is not a guarantee for further development. Oh God... You said you agree with all of them, so you should be on the clear with that. Who said ZEFs are not living?
I do not think you know your Commandments very well. Someone is getting the spanky spanky from his Rabbi later today.
I think I do, and since you didn't know those were in the 10 commandments then you are probably not a very good rabbi. Maybe you only know 8 commandments.
I know all 10 and they are all bad. Some of them may seem good such as the do-not-kills-and-steals, but that is only on the surface of it. The Ten Commandements® are a bunch of orders from a being that does not exist that you should follow "because he said so". There is no rational basis for them and they present morality as doing whatever daddy says because otherwise he will kick your butt. Why in God's name shall I not use God's darn name in vain? Why is that a "great idea"? Why should I worship him? What about people who believe in other Gods or atheists? Why should I observe the Sabbath? Do not kill? Why not? What if someone attacks me or what about the 100's of times God himself killed or ordered others to kill? Honour thy parents? Why? What is great about that? What if they are bad parents? What if my father did what Abe did and tried to kill me? Should I honour him? Do not have srx outside marriage, why? They are all very silly. Are they good because Gwod said tney are good or did Gwod say it because it is good? If it is the latter we do not really need Gwod, do we? Stop listening to Papa Prager, it is not good for you.
Whatever you say, but what I said about the commandments vs telling people to be celibate is still true.
VIABLILTY is your standard for whether someone can be killed try again What if someone gets stage 4 pancreatic cancer at the age of 50, how viable are they now?
Yes a new human life created at conception will go through all those stages Pregnancy. The development of a zygote into an embryo and then into a fetus in preparation for childbirth. Infancy. The earliest part of childhood. It is the period from birth through age one. Toddler years. Occur during ages two and three and are the end of early childhood. Childhood. Takes place from ages four to eight. Puberty. The period from ages nine to thirteen, which is the beginning of adolescence. Older adolescence. The stage that takes place between ages fourteen and eighteen. Adulthood. The period from adolescence to the end of life and begins at age nineteen. Middle age. The period of adulthood that stretches from age thirty-one to fifty. Senior years, or old age. Extend from age fifty-one until the end of life. I could care less what languages you speak, we are using English here and your are not faring well with it. ROFLMAO...................................................................................................................................I'm an atheist. My positions are based solely on the scientific, the biology in which I majored through my sophomore year. Let me first help you with the language po·ten·tial /pəˈten(t)SHəl/ Learn to pronounce adjective having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future. Now the scientific from the college textbooks "Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life." [Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943] "Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote." [Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1] "Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity." [O'Rahilly, Ronan and M?ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}] http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/ar...yoquotes2.html "Recently, Dr. Robert George wrote an article outlining this whole topic in more detail. And if you want to really learn your stuff, pick up his excellent book entitled Embryo (I’m in the middle of reading it right now). In his words: “That is, in human reproduction, when sperm joins ovum, these two individual cells cease to be, and their union generates a new and distinct organism. This organism is a whole, though in the beginning developmentally immature, member of the human species. Readers need not take our word for this: They can consult any of the standard human-embryology texts, such as Moore and Persaud’s The Developing Human, Larsen’s Human Embryology, Carlson’s Human Embryology & Developmental Biology, and O’Rahilly and Mueller’s Human Embryology & Teratology.” – Dr. Robert George “Human embryos, whether they are formed by fertilization (natural or in vitro) or by successful somatic-cell nuclear transfer (SCNT — i.e., cloning), do have the internal resources and active disposition to develop themselves to the mature stage of a human organism, requiring only a suitable environment and nutrition. In fact, scientists distinguish embryos from other cells or clusters of cells precisely by their self-directed, integral functioning — their organismal behavior. Thus, human embryos are what the embryology textbooks say they are, namely, human organisms — living individuals of the human species — at the earliest developmental stage.” – Dr. Robert George - See more at: http://fallibleblogma.com/index.php/....n2q46hNU.dpuf A New, Distinct Human Organism Comes into Being at Fertilization It is undisputed that a new, distinct human organism comes into existence during the process of fertilization.[1] Scientific literature states the following: • “The fusion of sperm and egg membranes initiates the life of a sexually reproducing organism.”[2] • “The life cycle of mammals begins when a sperm enters an egg.”[3] • “Fertilization is the process by which male and female haploid gametes (sperm and egg) unite to produce a genetically distinct individual.”[4] • “The oviduct or Fallopian tube is the anatomical region where every new life begins in mammalian species. After a long journey, the spermatozoa meet the oocyte in the specific site of the oviduct named ampulla, and fertilization takes place.”[5] • “Fertilization – the fusion of gametes to produce a new organism – is the culmination of a multitude of intricately regulated cellular processes.”[6] The government’s own definition attests to the fact that life begins at fertilization. According to the National Institutes of Health, “fertilization” is the process of union of two gametes (i.e., ovum and sperm) “whereby the somatic chromosome number is restored and the development of a new individual is initiated.”[7] Thus, in the context of human life, a new individual human organism is initiated at the union of ovum and sperm. One textbook similarly explains: Human development begins at fertilization when a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to produce a single cell – a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.[8] Thus, a new human organism is created before the developing embryo implants in the uterus – i.e., before that time at which some people consider a woman “pregnant.” [1] See, e.g., Condic, When Does Human Life Begin? A Scientific Perspective (The Westchester Institute for Ethics & the Human Person Oct. 200, http://bdfund.org/wordpress/wpconten...ife_print.pdf; George & Tollefsen, EMBRYO 39 (200. [2] Marsden et al., Model systems for membrane fusion, CHEM. SOC. REV. 40(3):1572 (Mar. 2011) (emphasis added). [3] Okada et al., A role for the elongator complex in zygotic paternal genome demethylation, NATURE 463:554 (Jan. 28, 2010) (emphasis added). [4] Signorelli et al., Kinases, phosphatases and proteases during sperm capacitation, CELL TISSUE RES. 349(3):765 (Mar. 20, 2012) (emphasis added). [5] Coy et al., Roles of the oviduct in mammalian fertilization, REPRODUCTION 144(6):649 (Oct. 1, 2012) (emphasis added). [6] Marcello et al., Fertilization, ADV. EXP. BIOL. 757:321 (2013) (emphasis added). [7] National Institutes of Health, Medline Plus Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary (2013), http://www.merriamwebster.com/medlineplus/fertilization (emphasis added).
FoxHastings said: ↑ FoxHastings said: ↑ No, viability is 23 weeks... LOL.............. A 50 YEAR OLD "FETUS"....oh my.... that poor woman !!! Oh, I'm sorry, didn't you know you're in the ABORTION Forum and that's what's being discussed??
The 10,000 year history of humans says that ain't gonna happen....nor should it..... But , hey, if single men want to stop having sex no one will force them to
Ritter said: ↑ Do we agree on all these statements? * A newborn is not a fertilised egg. * A newborn is not an implanted egg. * A newborn is not a single-cell organism. * A newborn is not a zygote. * A newborn is not an embryo. * A newborn is not a fetus. * A newborn has survived through all of these stages. * Every fertilisation does not pass through all of these stages. That post never said they weren't human and never said they were dead....where TF did you get that crap?
Because when you said that you are pro-life I thought that you were using the PROPER definition of 'pro-life' which is believing that the unborn are human lives and as such it should be illegal to abort them electively, but you've since made it clear that you are using your own ridiculous definition, and that you are NOT in fact pro-life.
They are human lives. I said every State should have the right to ban abortion. What else do you want? Arguing for the sake of arguing? I am pro-life. I wish there was zero abortions in US. Unlike you, I am not authoritarian who sees federal government intervention as the one and only solution to every problem. Leave it to the States. Well, you don't even live in the US, so what do you know. Also, as I stated, a law making it illegal is NOT the best way to reduce abortions. Are you interested in actually reducing abortions, or are you more interested in using us as a political talking point?
