What do you think will happen in North Korea?

Do you have the faintest idea what life is like for people in North Korea?

Thanks to psychopaths in the Kim regime, millions of human beings have Death stalking their doorstep every day.

Maybe you should read this book - it will shed a little light on the situation for you:



https://www.amazon.com/Escape-Camp-14-Remarkable-Odyssey/dp/0143122916

North Korea is a hell hole. If everyone in the Kim regime perished tomorrow it would be a blessing to the world and everyone who lives in it.

 

I read an article recently that says only 17% of Russians view North Korea favorably and only 8% support defending them militarily.

 

Very important remark, absolutely necessary. Now exchange few pleasantries and sing a choral shamer to my whole nation, like you folks usually do.

 

The Kim regime wouldn't exist without China. If Pyonyang loses Beijing's support its days are numbered.

You mention regime change and I think that is one of the options at China's disposal. In that event, I think the Chinese would replace it with another undemocratic puppet regime that wouldn't seek reunification with South Korea and warm relations with China's rivals. However, a more rational and less hostile regime that doesn't pose a threat to the region and international community would be a major improvement on what exists in the Hermit Kingdom today.

 

Updates for anyone not paying attention:

Kim Jong-Un has ordered the evacuation of 600,000 residents of Pyongyang. This reduces the size of the cities population to that which can fit in it's bomb shelters.

China has told more of it's troops to get ready to head to the border with North Korea.

North Korea has promised a "big event" tomorrow morning (Korea time) to journalists.

 

Which pretty much assures that China will wish to see him maintained.

 

Or not.

 

If you believe that it is China's wish for the world to be run by America and it's allies, then not.
But if, as I, you think they have their own ideas...

NK is the buffer state between American and Chinese and Russian hegemony. They will seek to fight their wars on foreign soil rather than in their homes.
Once America defeats NK? Then who is next?
They aren't stupid.

They Chinese deployed 150,000 men. That isn't a force capable of taking on NK but it is one capable of supporting it.
They have a mutual defence pact after all.

Really and honestly, if America attacks NK, what choice does China have?
Millions of refugee's and uncontrolled war on it's border?

Expect them to be arming NK with some funky missiles. Expect this from the Russians too.

 

Then why is China imposing sanctions on North Korea and threatening to bomb them if their nuclear tests affect Chinese soil?

 

China isn't threatening to bomb North Korea.
One Chinese man is. Bit of a stretch that one, given the other 1.3 billion of them who live there.
You wish the Chinese were threatening to bomb North Korea, but in reality they are arming them.

Sanctions seem to be in an attempt to reign in NK's nuclear ambitions.
Coal is a funny one. China is having domestic issues with over supply and the US is it's primary import supplier. There may be subtext in the use of this sanction. Other considerations at play also.

By comparison, Israel has nukes, America has forces near Israel. Are you expecting America to bomb Israel or aid them?
China doesn't want to get nuked any more than you do.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ex...bomb-north-korea-kim-jong-un-nuclear-test/amp

 

What do I think will happen to North Korea???

I think they will launch a nuclear weapon at California. Then the USA will retaliate with our own nuclear weapons. North Korea will be a radioactive wasteland for 100,000 years, at least.

Then Russia and China will get involved and launch nuclear attacks on the USA. Total nuclear war, the world gets annihilated.

 

wombat said: ↑
No, its defence against violence. Declaring war can be an act of defense.

LOL. Kinda some twisted thinking there, IMO. But this is what a war mongering nation would do to justify war mongering.

Moral high ground is very important, if you are not war monger as the good old neocon USA is. When a nation is in perpetual war for perpetual peace, you have a sociopathic nation, or at least it's gov't is.

NK is paranoid, or its leaders are. They fear the US and invasion. Which is why they developed nukes, as something to keep it from happening. They have not been an aggressive nation, but isolated. It does not help that we and SK have run military exercises close to her borders ever since the end of the Korean war. Would that make a nation like NK more paranoid? LOL Kinda like keep expanding nato forces eastward even after Bush Sr. promised Gorby this would not happen. So do we make Russia a bit nervous, given their history of being invaded? LOL Damn right, so why are we doing it? Probably because of a case of insanity, but mostly because it makes a few people wealthier.

The wisest and safest course to take with NK is simply to leave them the hell alone. If their own people eventually rise up against their gov't, this would be a very natural way for regime change, but you need to leave it up to the NK people. It might take a hundred years but it will happen, eventually. Stop making NK even more paranoid. Stop the military exercises which makes them think it is a test run for invasion. Stop the sanctions. Send a peace envoy, and then stick to our damned promises. NK does these tests and other things as a reaction to SK or us. So stop giving them something to react against. Novel thinking, huh?

But we will not even give this a try. For hell, it might actually work. NK is not trying to take land, to invade other nations. Sure, their gov't is bad and it sucks. But that is none of our business. But we have a problem with meddling and even invading, based on lies, and international law is for others to follow. Acting like an evil empire is what we do, with some of our people cheering it, the way school yard bullies behave.

I have little doubt that the problem with NK could be solved over time by changing our behavior. Let them keep their nukes, even help them with the nukes if that would give them the needed sense of security. If NK does not feel threatened, you would see a change in their behavior. For those who say it would only make them more paranoid, more aggressive, this is just an opinion coming from a vacuum for we have never ever tried this with any nation we are in contention with. Well, we have nothing to lose but everything to gain. But there is no profit for the elites in this, for War is a Racket. That was true when Gen Butler wrote his book by the same name and it is even more true today.

 

Yes we are, it's called 4th July. And Ukraine did ruin it's integrity thanks to the corrupt russian oligarchs, and NATO needs to exist to keep the Russians in check.

 

I hope for a von Stauffenberg style group to meet and plot and carry out his assassination. I don't see any other way.

 

I believe in the reverse of nearly everything you've said. Replace NK with US and we'd be in agreeance.

 

I agree, China wants stability in that area, not a terrible and destructive war. They are not going to let NK start one, using the threat of increased sanctions; but they are not going to let Trump start one either, using the threat of ceasing to use the dollar as a reserve currency. Trump has betrayed a rudimentary grasp of the real meaning that would have and I think fears it as much as even a sane person might.

Also, most of the players here, (except maybe our erstwhile President) recognize that Un almost HAS to do these provocative things from time to time in order that the Western Powers will reply with sabre rattlings of their own and thus give the national paranoia he uses to keep himself in power credibility. The Iranians do the same thing. Either one of these regimes would probably fall within a year if we would simply ignore them; but our own defense industries rely upon them to justify ever increasing military spending, so we never will.

 

What a time for the CIC of the most powerful country on the planet to be in self-destruct mode.

 

Trump could actually bomb North Korea with cruise missiles and specific missile launch sites would be taken down, which would disable North Korea's ballistic missile program for a while. Then we will see before and after photos. But the US needs to consult Russia as it did before bombing the Syrian air base to avoid triggering a nuclear war accidentally.

 

I personally think North Korea will finally unite with South Korea.

BTW, I am more worried about US.

I have seen how US president can betray voting citizens by changing stance once he grabs power.
I have seen how US president can invade other country without any consensus or Congress approval.

I am looking at bunch of zombie like people who doesn't even know their neighborhood talking about some distant country as if they know anything.

Seriously, I have known this country is full of mental patients, but it actually go over my expectations.

 

US consulted Russia? >.,< OMG.
Do u also believe the rumor 60,000 people evacuated from PyongYang?

 

Obviously, a lot of people have bought into North Korean propaganda.

Seoul will be just fine.

Or the North Koreans might surrender faster than the Iraqis did.

 

U think Los Angeles will be just fine too? >.,<

 

Well, then, go lick Kim's boots and see if that works.

 

So, then, conflict is the only solution.

You can give Kim a chance to save face and resign, allowing for the creation of an interim government that will work with China, Japan, South Korea and the US, and if he doesn't, then forcibly remove him. I don't have a problem with that.

Optimally, the US would prefer to have at least 3 carrier battle groups in position off of the coast of North Korea before striking, but I don't see that happening anytime in the next 30 days.