What happened in the 2016 election will not happen in the 2020 election

Decomposed plants & animals that have fossilized and turned into fuel? Yes. It's a terrible name for stored energy.

Some of you are so black and white about everything. It's not an all or nothing solution.

Let's work on using renewables where possible. Will we ever stop using fossil fuels? Probably not. I think the goal should be to reduce the need for them before they run out and we DO end up back on horse and buggy. Do you understand about savings? The more we save, the more we have long term.

I really wish partisans would look up the word nuance once in awhile. It's very valuable in opinion forming.

What if we could get SOME energy from wind, solar, water, etc., and fill the gap with stored energy in the earth, which is not infinite?

 

You still going with what you learned in elementary school? I just use my own thoughts on where oil comes from (fuel? we have to refine it to fuel). I don't think oil comes from fossils like dinosaurs. You would have to believe the center of the earth is sucking us towards the center of the earth. Hell how far do they have to dig down when they find dinosaur bones? Halfway to the core? lol. I also don't think oil is a finite resource. The pressures and heat toward the middle of the earth are so great that THAT is what creates oil.

 

I would also like to add that I don't think we will run out of oil and shudder to think what would happen if we DIDN'T pull it out of the ground. Yea, gift from God.

 

Yes, but it takes millions of years. Your great great grandmother isn't turning into oil in the next 15 minutes.

Oil is the result of millions and millions of years of dead plants and animals being covered and re-covered, and re-re-covered. Have you ever seen an anthropological dig site? They go down a hundred feet or more, and that's just after a couple of thousand years. We're talking millions and millions and millions of years.

But, I won't change your mind. You think the squirrel you drove over yesterday will be oil in 10 years. It won't, but you do you.

 

Sure. And I've thanked the fossils many times.

 

You got a strange imagination about me but whatever. What about my comment about "fossil fuels" is a gift to humanity?

 

It's a nice sentiment, but nature didn't do it's thing to give you gas for your car. It's a natural process, one I see daily in my composter. I throw in grapes, bananas, mushrooms and cardboard, and it turns into fuel (energy/fuel/calories/food,) for my plants.

The earth has been doing it's thing for 4.5 Billion years. It has nothing to do with you, personally. It never will. The earth knows nothing about you.

 

How the hell did you think that I thought the earth knows about me? Strange.

 

https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/petroleum/

 

Oh. I thought you considered yourself part of humanity. I won't make that mistake again.

 

It's not my or your or ... anybody's fossil fuels we need to eliminate. It's the use. In other words, we need to make them useless.

This is what right wingers have refused to understand.

 

Not possible even in the near future.

 

Sure. Do you believe we should plan for a future where they aren't available? Current estimate is about 45 years. I heard somewhere around 70 years, about 20 years ago. When I was a teenager *cough 80's cough* I was told it would be gone in my lifetime. It's been a known fact for some time. Estimates revise, but not by very much in context.

Again, fossil fuels are not renewable. We cannot just expect the earth to re-create what it took millions of years to do, every year. It took millions of years for humans to come along to even find it. We aren't going to renew what took millions and millions of years. We've been extracting all that for, what, 150 years?

Technically, it is renewable. In 200 million years, we might have what we had 50 years ago. In 100 years, though? There will be nada.

 

I disagree, you disagree. Onward I go.

 

Can you post a reputable source that says petroleum is an infinite resource that will be available for all of humanity? How long do you believe it takes 1,000,000 decomposing cats to turn into drop of oil?

 

No I can't at the moment cause I don't want to right now because I need to be in bed shortly. All I can ask you to do at the moment is THINK ABOUT IT! If I remember correctly, you and I are about the same age. Even as a kid I doubted things I was taught in school. I think you mentioned these fossils that are now fuel were from billions and billions of years ago, does that not make you say "huh?"

 

And my thoughts come from a common sense point of view, not a scientific point of view. I have been reading newspapers since I was 10 years old and the contradictions I have read are numerous. One of the biggest I remember is eggs are bad for you, eggs are good for you, eggs are bad for you, eggs are good for you....remember that? All results found out by "study" after "study" after "study". All by "science".

 

And it also depended on who was in charge at the time. You know, whoever had a hold of the purse strings.

 

I said millions and millions, and, no, it doesn't make me go, "huh." I paid attention in earth science, and the quarter I did on evolution only encouraged me to keep reading. I can explain the basics, without understanding the nuance. I can witness evolution live, with more than just the compost I mentioned.

Having a real life way of looking at an extremely fast-forwarded view of what evolves, is such a fantastic eye opener.

Science is incredibly fascinating. I wish I had a mathematical mind. I can only understand the fringes, and be grateful that others know the details.

 

Your primary problem may be, but may also not be, the religious view that what we knew 2,000 years ago, is still true.

If we knew 100% what eggs did to the body 6,000 years ago, you'd be in the know. I promise.

The reason your XYZ software, phone, sewing machine, dishwasher wasn't the way it is today, is because science is a process; not an event.

The entire POINT of science is to disprove previous science.

Religion and science are compatible, but they cannot be compared.

Religion is based on a static vision of what happened thousands of years ago.
Science is based on the knowledge that every time we learn something new, it challenges everything we thought we knew before. It does this, without embarrassment, because disproving a previous theory is like breaking the world record for running the mile. Before that, nobody could run the mile in less than X, because John Doe did it the best, and his time was A.

 

My belief is oil is a gift to humanity for the betterment of our lives. That there are people that want to take that away from humanity abhors me. Don't get me wrong I am all for technology that improves the lives of all humanity but eliminating oil isn't going to happen in the near future. It is 100+ years out in my opinion. Take a look around your house. Point to anything, ANYTHING and I guarantee you that 1 way or another, oil was involved in the discovery, extraction, manufacturing and delivery for YOU to get possession of that product. EVERYTHING!

 

You aren't wrong. You actually 100% align with my husband on this. He believes that earth created man as a garbage disposal of sorts, to expend the energy the earth has been saving, as quickly and efficiently as possible. He believes that is the sole purpose of man.

When we use up all the stored energy, and turn it back into potential energy, man will disappear and the earth will enter a new phase, as it's been doing for 4.5 Billion years.

I don't hate his analysis. I don't like his wish that it be over as quickly as possible. We're in no danger of that in our lifetimes, so I'm cool with however it works out.

I don't fear the future; I don't fear death, and I don't fear anything, except what may happen that while I'm alive. If I get to do my thing as much as possible, with as little government interference as possible, for as little dollars as possible, I will die a happy woman. I never desired to be a 120 hour/week entrepreneur, but I'm glad for people who do. I deny them nothing. I get concerned when they have no respect for the toilet cleaners who helped them along the way.

 

Am I right to guess you want the toilet seat DOWN when you go to use it? lolololol

 

Sorry, had too!

 

No. My generic rule is everyone should check before tinkling. I can't imagine how it turned into a female/male thing.