What happens after death?

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by SpaceCricket79, Feb 18, 2013.

  1. SpaceCricket79

    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2012
    Messages:
    12,934
    Likes Received:
    108
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Unless a person has died and come back from the dead, they can't say they know what will happen. Atheists claim that once a person had died, they are just 'gone' or 'in the ground' - but they don't really know this of course since they've never experienced it. Atheists really don't know what will happen after death - atheists believe it based on faith.
     
  2. mutmekep

    mutmekep New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2012
    Messages:
    6,223
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I had an experience with hypnotism performed by a professional as a night entertainment during vacations , my cousin got hypnotised and he revealed that he was a student in 1930's Vienna .... in German , the person i know doesn't speak German.
    As i understand it "1930's Vienna" could be 500 billion years ago because in infinite space and infinite time chances for things to "replay" are infinite .
     
  3. Gorn Captain

    Gorn Captain Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    Messages:
    35,580
    Likes Received:
    237
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You find out God is a black female liberal, SpaceCricket?

    :D
     
  4. WhatNow!?

    WhatNow!? New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2013
    Messages:
    2,540
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ya, so?


    Can anyone else prove what happens after death? No.
     
  5. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2011
    Messages:
    8,759
    Likes Received:
    126
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Do Christians wait for the resurrection quietly snoring or meet Jesus tomorrow like the penitent thief? Nobody knows about anything after death, which strongly suggests there is nothing to know.
     
  6. Middleroad

    Middleroad New Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2013
    Messages:
    465
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    How do you know it suggests theres nothing to know if no one knows? Heres the simple truth no matter which religious belief or agnostic or atheist, no one knows what happens after death.
     
  7. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2011
    Messages:
    8,759
    Likes Received:
    126
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Most religious people seem to have mines of information, but it's fool's gold in my view.
     
  8. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2010
    Messages:
    79,119
    Likes Received:
    19,982
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    According to the RC church, non believers will be without God. Nothing more, nothing less.
    Believers could be in many many various states or places. Ask 100 christians, we'll see if you get 100 different answers.

    Good question though.

    - - - Updated - - -

    According to the RC church, non believers will be without God. Nothing more, nothing less.
    Believers could be in many many various states or places. Ask 100 christians, we'll see if you get 100 different answers.

    Good question though.
     
  9. Prof_Sarcastic

    Prof_Sarcastic New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    3,118
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    We all know some of the things that will happen. My body will decay, and eventually much of it will re-enter the food chain. The neurons in my brain will cease functioning, rendering my nervous system defunct such that 'thoughts' and 'feelings' as we know them cease to exist.

    I have no doubt that there are many things about death that we do not know - and as soon as evidence is revealed about them I will be happy to consider them. Until then, fanciful things like 'afterlife' can be discounted.
     
  10. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2008
    Messages:
    13,857
    Likes Received:
    1,159
    Trophy Points:
    113
    dirt nap...big sleep...lights out...darkness...nothingness....and I'm good with all of them when the time comes, just not right now....
     
  11. SFJEFF

    SFJEFF New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2010
    Messages:
    30,682
    Likes Received:
    256
    Trophy Points:
    0
    What Atheists claim that? I don't.

    I know the body will decompose unless cremated or preserved. But all we know for certain is that the physical body stops working. There is no evidence that anything else happens. I doubt there is anything else- since there is no evidence that anything else happens.

    But people can believe any fairy tales they want to, fine with me. Whatever brings them comfort.
     
  12. Gorn Captain

    Gorn Captain Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    Messages:
    35,580
    Likes Received:
    237
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Actually more appropos for SpaceCricket would be....he dies and goes to "Heaven" and it's everything he wants. No "lib'ruls", no minorities, no Democrats....everybody he hates is missing.

    And he goes crazy from lack of anything to hate.

    See "A Nice Place To Visit"....Twilight Zone with Larry Blyden and Sebastion Cabot.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnevk-6h6aI
     
  13. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    25,739
    Likes Received:
    684
    Trophy Points:
    0
    If God was a black female liberal she would have struck me down long ago. We can rest assured there is no black female liberal deity.
     
  14. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2012
    Messages:
    16,044
    Likes Received:
    7,568
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Not on faith. We know that when you die, your body stops working, including the electrical impulses within your brain that form your entire personality and consciousness. Without YOUR brain being alive, that one single brain out of all the brains that exist or have existed, there is no you. Everything that you are, resides within that brain, and when it's turned off and subsequently dies then eventually rots, you are no more.

    So while no one can really be sure what happens after you're dead because the dead don't come back and tell us, going on the theory that you are "gone" or "in the ground' makes complete sense for an atheist, someone who is probably approaching the world from a logical rather than supernatural perspective. It's simply what the evidence points to.
     
  15. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2009
    Messages:
    22,806
    Likes Received:
    1,269
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    We know that electrical pulses as we measure them 'flat line' at what we call brain-death. We do know that 'everything you are' does not solely exist in one's own brain because no one is an island. Electrical impulses on the living brains of others reflect one's influence projected during their lifetime. You may be anything from a fading memory to a key component in another person's thinking and actions.

    Therefore, I submit that it is NOT logical to assume complete extinction at death because if we judge death by brain-waves we cannot discount the brain waves of others who harbor lasting images of the deceased.
     
  16. DentalFloss

    DentalFloss Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Messages:
    11,445
    Likes Received:
    3,263
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Would you consider "memories" unlocked under hypnosis of what happens in between lives as evidence? We're talking hundreds of subjects, who all report remarkably similar things.
     
  17. sjp

    sjp New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2013
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Mumbo jumbo?
     
  18. MannieD

    MannieD New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2006
    Messages:
    5,127
    Likes Received:
    31
    Trophy Points:
    0
    She's just merciful and giving you the choice to repent before you die. :wink:
     
  19. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2009
    Messages:
    22,806
    Likes Received:
    1,269
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    If you live your life as a narcissist I guess. Lots of libs fall into that category.
     
  20. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2012
    Messages:
    16,044
    Likes Received:
    7,568
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That's moving the goalposts a bit. While I can see what you're saying, what really lives on is the idea of a person, not the person itself. When you conceive another person, you're still doing so with the electrical impulses within your own brain. Your perception and memory is also dictated by your own impulses, not the person that you're remembering.

    So I suppose in a metaphysical sense, the idea that you can live on long after your physical body death makes sense. However, It's not something capable of thought or memory or anything on it's own. It's not YOU. It's someone elses version of you that exists within them and is defined, and ultimately created, by them. It's not something that lives, it's more like a photograph.
     
  21. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2009
    Messages:
    22,806
    Likes Received:
    1,269
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Correct and the same will happen with you after your demise.

    The corporal form of life may only be one facet or dimension. Maybe existing as electrical, neuron pulses is more 'natural' than being encased in a human body. The fact is, that we all affect others by our mere existence. The extent of that influence typically depends on relationships and actions.
     
  22. Prof_Sarcastic

    Prof_Sarcastic New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    3,118
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Evidence, yes. Compelling evidence, no. Research leads scientific minds to the general consensus that past-life regression is a social construct of the subconscious mind, not some quasi-reincarnation that magically transports memories directly from the neurons of a corpse in a graveyard in Europe into those of a person living today thousands of miles away.
     
  23. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2012
    Messages:
    16,044
    Likes Received:
    7,568
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Right, but I, ME, will still be dead and gone. I am not the memories other people have. I am the source of those memories, the author of the actions and thoughts that went into creating them. Death ends my ability to do anything, so it ends ME, and that's what happens when I die. Memories of me are not me because memories do not have a thought process or consciousness.


    Could be, who knows. I've always wondered that since human being operate on electricity, whether or not our own personal electrical fields can influence or transfer information to others, even if sub-consciously. I don't think we know enough yet to ascertain either way.
     
  24. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2004
    Messages:
    13,701
    Likes Received:
    1,585
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I will get back to you when Houdini finally contacts me.
     
  25. DentalFloss

    DentalFloss Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2013
    Messages:
    11,445
    Likes Received:
    3,263
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm not talking about past life regression, though I also find that compelling. I'm talking about IN BETWEEN life regression. Like what happens after we die and before we are reborn. If you're interested, get the books from Michael Newton, he has done hundreds, if not thousands of cases, and what's most remarkable to me is that virtually all of them sound the same. One "story" is meaningless, less than even anecdotal. But when you start to get the same story again, time after time, from a large number of different people, there comes a point you can't just write it off as "a social construct of the subconscious mind" so easily.
     

Share This Page