What happens after death?

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Neither can you.
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I never said anti-matter did not exist. Read again. BTW that was and interesting read and something I have researched in the past.
     
  3. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're even talking about anymore. Why would your consciousness belong to someone else?

    Because personality isn't determined by DNA. It's something that develops within your brain as you grow. Even if it wasn't, why would you expect two separate brains that aren't connected to each other to experience the same consciousness?
     
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    Why would it belong to you? What makes your consciousness inhabit your body as opposed to the billions of other bodies it could have inhabited?


    If consciousness is only determined by the brain, then how could 2 identical brains have 2 separate consciousnesses?
     
  5. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well that's existential brain in a vat type stuff. I stay away from this stuff because, honestly, I don't see the point. Whether life is a simulation, whether my consciousness is just a brain in a vat somewhere being fed electrical impulses, my reality as I experience it encompasses everything that I know and will know. It makes no difference to me because when I die, or I'm shut off, or someone stops feeding my brain electrical impulses, I die, and my reality, whatever it is, ends.
     
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    Your consciousness is a part of your brain. Your brain is inside your head only. Your consciousness didn't have "choices", it's a direct result of the brain you were born with.


    Because they are two separate brains inside of two separate bodies.
     
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    That's a convenient explanation but it still doesn't cut it.
     
  8. DentalFloss

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    If your body is a simulation, it does not exist. Ergo your brain does not exist. Ergo, your brain is NOT the source of consciousness, because something that does not exist cannot create a consciousness. Ergo, it exists separately from the simulation, in one form or another.

    I posted this earlier, but I don't know if you read it. Fairly conclusive scientific evidence our reality is, in fact, a simulation, IMO. https://www.dropbox.com/s/dvel8yl1i9odmuz/What is Reality 4.pdf
     
  9. Junkieturtle

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    Well, lets hear your explanation.
     
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    But either way, you experience consciousness. Your reality is defined by your consciousness no matter where you may believe it comes from. In the event that our reality is just a simulation, when the simulation ends for me specifically, I am dead and gone. My consciousness, simulated or real, ends. So to me, whether life is a simulation or real, it really makes little difference because it changes absolutely nothing about the way my senses experience reality. I wouldn't have better hearing or suddenly like French painting if I found out reality was a simulation, or any other type of false reality brought up in philosophical debates. Mostly though, I don't worry about it because there's no way to really know.

    I actually did read most of it.

    I wouldn't call it conclusive. It's a wild theory and in my opinion not entirely baseless, but there's going to need to be a lot more research and evidence before it could be called conclusive.
     
  11. DentalFloss

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    No. Your reality is defined by your consciousness no matter where it ACTUALLY comes from. Your beliefs have nothing to do with it.

    No. If your consciousness exists independently from the simulation, which it must, death of your simulated body says actually nothing about the status of your consciousness.

    The evidence is strongly in favor of the simulation hypothesis. I'm not smart enough to know if "strongly in favor" is equivalent to PROOF, but it's damn close.
     
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    It means your simulated consciousness ends, which in practical terms means you end.


    Again, interesting if the evidence pans out. The computer power necessary to simulate an entire universe, including every particle in it and their effects on every other particle, from the micro to the macro, is staggering and uncomprehendable.
     
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    You are assuming that your consciousness is simulated. It's not. There are ONLY two options. Your consciousness is a sentient, self aware bit of computer code, which means it can be restarted, or exist outside the simulation, OR (as I believe), it DOES exist outside the simulation. Those are the only options available. Either way, your consciousness can, though in choice one does not HAVE to, survived the death of your non-existent non-physical body.
     
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    I take it then.....you have no answer?
     
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    How would your consciousness exist outside of the simulation?
     
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    It must. The simulation does NOT exist. Your consciousness does. It's simple.
     
  17. Junkieturtle

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    Now you've lost me.

    How does the simulation both exist and not exist? It obviously must exist if we are a part of it.
     
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    If your body, and by extension, your brain, is only a simulation, then the death of your body is meaningless, for it never existed in reality. Therefore, your consciousness MUST exist separate from the simulation.
     
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    Okay. My question was how? Who built the simulation? How does our consciousness manage to exist outside of it?
     
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    The Larger Consciousness System.
     
  21. Junkieturtle

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    I just did some quick reading on it about the author who apparently created that concept. Sounds pretty fantastical to me, and I didn't really see anything in what I read that gave any type of reasons for believing this that weren't a variation of wanting to. In fact, the article was describing the author as a physicist who despite being a physicist, isn't tied down with hard science which has become a religion(paraphrased, I closed the page already). That sounds to me like saying "even though the facts aren't there, we're not going to let that stop us".
     
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    How do Christians explain that? Science?

    Here is something to mull over. The Akha, a hilltribe in northern Laos and northern Thailand, a very spiritual people, animists.

    Up until about 20 years ago when twins were born they would allow one twin to die. They believed one twin was a good spirit, the other an evil spirit. Which twin died, the good or the evil?
     
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    Have you ever noticed in zombie movies that although the corpse may be rotting and falling apart the zombies senses of smell, hearing, touch, sight, and thinking are always intact? Why doesn't a zombie's brains and eyes ever rot? Is it possible that all of those senses are in the zombie's bones?
     
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    But all normal humans are basically identical. There's no real difference between you and a guy on the other side of the world. You may look different but you are emotionally and mentally identical.
     
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    What does the Bible say?

    Ecclesiastes 3:18-22 (GNT) = [SUP]18 [/SUP]I decided that God is testing us, to show us that we are no better than animals. [SUP]19 [/SUP]After all, the same fate awaits human beings and animals alike. One dies just like the other. They are the same kind of creature. A human being is no better off than an animal, because life has no meaning for either. [SUP]20 [/SUP]They are both going to the same placeĀ—the dust. They both came from it; they will both go back to it. [SUP]21 [/SUP]How can anyone be sure that the human spirit goes upward while an animal's spirit goes down into the ground? [SUP]22 [/SUP]So I realized then that the best thing we can do is enjoy what we have worked for. There is nothing else we can do. There is no way for us to know what will happen after we die.

    Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 (GNT) =
    [SUP]5 [/SUP]Yes, the living know they are going to die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward; they are completely forgotten. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Their loves, their hates, their passions, all died with them. They will never again take part in anything that happens in this world.
     

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