What if, militarily, we pull out of the Middle East

no Reagan arming a terrorist in Afghanistan got us attack. read history.

 

Ignoring this is what got us attacked.

 

We already did, that is what created isis, pulling out our military.

 

Me too. Obama continuing his drone campaign which is mass murdering civilians is only creating more enemies. Time to pull out.

 

Just look at what we've done in the past for your answer. Is it right...NO. Is it going to happen....YES! Your kids will have to fight in the middle east like it or not.

 

This is after we knocked down a government in the first place. It's obvious destabilizing a region will lead to a power vacuum. I doubt getting out the rest of the way will cause any more damage.

 

If we don't stay put then yes, they will. Since our foreign policy continues to be "attack some third world ditch for loose reasons" who knows where the next generation will be deployed. There has to be a way to end that policy. It seems to simply benefit companies like Lockheed and Boeing who make the munitions we keep dropping.

 

What happens if we pull out of the ME?
Islamofacsists get the bomb.
Nuclear exchange between them and Israel.
if this, itself, does not plunge the world into war, the economic turmoil that follows likely will.

 

Great insight, what sources told you that would be a possibility?

 

It would seem that we have very little military there now. If you are ok with what happen in Paris, to happen here, then I guess we should do what you say.

Turning a blind's eye, is only going to empower them more.

 

What part do you doubt, and why?

 

What allowed for ISIS was our "DeBaathification" program, which was extended by Maliki when we handed over the Iraq government to him. This should have been no surprise, as Maliki was the Iraqi point man for our DeBaathification direction. But, we chose him anyway.

Subsequent to that blunder and once he had autonomy Maliki began driving Sunnis out of government and began using his military and his Shiite militias to attack Sunni civilians, driving them from cities where they were living.

The result of that was the Sunnis accepted ISIS, which offered militlary support and participation in the government that they have established.

Since then, Sunnis in their regions of Iraq have been able to defend themselves, have been able to go back to work, have been able to take part in their government.

 

ISIS said that the paris attacks were in retaliation for the airstrike campaign, so how would you know that leaving them to their own devices would empower them?

 

Basic sense and informed imagination?

If the United States completely left the Middle East we would have years of peace........followed by Nuclear War.

 

How would the Islamic State or Iran (I assume you're talking about one of the two) obtain a nuclear weapon?
What economic turmoil would follow after we leave the middle east? (remember we're currently on par with saudia arabia, as far as being an oil producer)

 

Certainlyimagination, I agree with you there. You can't say that it's basic sense though, because you have no reasonable explanation as to why there would be nuclear war. You're just afraid of change. The western world has had their hands in the middle east for almost 120 years now.

Who would be the first to get the bomb?
Why would they use it?

 

The Iranians will develop one.
They, or their proxies, will use it on Israel.

Israel has on the order of 200 nuclear weapons.
When attacked with one (or more) Israel will use those nuclear weapons on whatever targets it finds necessary - all of which are in the ME.
It is entirely possible that the use of these weapons will greatly diminish the oil production of the entire ME.

Why do you want a nuclear exchange in the ME?

 

Tell me how the Iranians will develop one? Then tell me, why would they use it?

 

The same way we did, except that in their case, most of the leg work has already been done.
Are you unaware that the world placed economic sanctions on Iran because of their nuclear program and its efforts to produce a weapon?
Are you unaware that just recently the Obama announced a multi-national deal with Iran that curbs that program for thee immediate future?

Why would they use nuclear weapons on Israel?
My guess is to destroy Israel. You?

 

The first to get nukes already has them.
They would us them because no one would be there to stop them.

 

I really don't understand why people think fighting in the middle east somehow prevents overseas terrorist attacks. Terrorist attacks are not military actions. They require at minimum one person, and that one person can come from anywhere including the nation they are attacking. Sending troops into third world (*)(*)(*)(*) holes doesn't prevent terrorism, though it does give the locals a reason to hate us as we start killing them (collateral damage).

 

On the other hand, leaving terrorist organizations alone means they have little to no logistical or operational restrictions as they have a safe haven from which to plan and prepare their attacks.

 

Did we ever have a choice. The people said no to Obama Care, we got it anyway. The people said no to executive amnesty, we got it anyway. You can say no all you want to joining WWIII in the middle east.........and we'll get it anyway.

 

I suppose the follow up question is: Do you have any common sense at all? Are you seriously equating dictatorships with ISIS? Yes, dictatorships aren't that nice, killing people now and then, but surely you have some perspective and realise that ISIS is on a whole new (*)(*)(*)(*)ing level of oppression?? They are enslaving people, mass raping girls, commiting genocides and beheading people! I'm not saying everyone we trade with should be saints, but for christ sake there does exist a limit at some point!

 

Enslaving people, mass raping girls, committing genocides, beheading people, yep sounds like your average third world government. ISIS isn't special. Saddam was doing all of this crap before we invaded. It's not uncommon. Do you think it's OK that North Korea locks up its citizens into labor camps and works them to death? You (*)(*)(*)(*) up over there and you're dead while your family is worked to death in a labor camp. Guarantee those guards are raping as well. North Vietnam went through a whole purification phase after we left, Cambodia had a famous one too. Don't even get me started on the craziness in Africa. Again, ISIS isn't special, they're just the monster of the week.