What if the Anti-Abortionists actually get what they want?

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Here is a REAL LIFE SITUATION where the man DEMANDED that his girlfriend carry "HIS CHILD" to term when she wanted to have an abortion.

    http://tfln.co/single-dad-deadbeat-mom-son/

    This is HIS side of the STORY!

    First FACT that needs to be set right is that SHE IS NOT A "deadbeat" mom. She pays 125% of child support which is all that she is obligated to do by LAW!

    Secondly this "father" is only now just finding out what it means to be a SINGLE PARENT!

    He IMPOSED his own PERSONAL anti-abortion beliefs on her and now he is dealing with the CONSEQUENCES of those beliefs ALL ON HIS OWN!

    Millions of women have already had to deal with what he is going through now and a great many of them do NOT have 125% of child support payments either!

    So the big question that needs to be discussed is exactly how many MEN are willing to do what he is doing WITHOUT WHINING about it the way he is doing?

    How many anti-abortion MEN are WILLING to become SINGLE PARENTS to their OWN unwanted children?

    It is one thing to spout off about being anti-abortion but it is another thing entirely to have to live with the CONSEQUENCES for the next 18 YEARS!

    That takes a SERIOUS COMMITMENT!

    This man is only NOW finding out the REALITY of his DEMAND to impose his anti-abortion beliefs on others is a great deal of HARD WORK that he is NOT prepared to deal with.

    Needless to say he will have a HARD TIME finding a woman willing to marry both him AND his unwanted child.

    Let's keep this discussion about the HARD FACTUAL REALITY of raising an unwanted child ALONE as a man because this IS the CONSEQUENCE that more of them could be facing if RvW is overturned.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The OP was already too long so I am going to post some of the Reddit responses from women in subsequent posts because they raise relevant points worthy of discussion.

    http://tfln.co/single-dad-deadbeat-mom-son/

     
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    I don't think many folks will be changing there mind based on this, if thats what you meant. I'll take the hardship of parenting over the guilt of wandering what would have been in a heartbeat, and I believe most others would too.

    I hope abortion remains legal purely because I don't like the idea of the state having that sort of power over us. But I'll never be party to it if I have any say in the matter, even if that means struggling as a single parent.

    I also wouldn't seek child support from a woman who wanted an abortion instead... thats a total D move.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not sure abortion has anything to do with this discussion.

    Some people are not cut to be parents. Usually they find this after a few years. This woman was smart enough to realize it well before birth.

    It'd be great if the woman would want to care for the child but, the man, in a real "be careful what you wish for" scenario seems to only now realize he also is not fit to parent a child.

    It does take way more than love to be a parent.

    Still, abortion is not the central issue in the discussion.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The objective was not to change anyone's mind on the topic.

    Instead it was intended to expose the REALITIES of what the anti-abortionists are DEMANDING.

    That you would be willing to struggle as a single parent is to your credit since you are willing to live up to your own beliefs. Furthermore that you are willing to support the fact that it is an INDIVIDUAL CHOICE and should never be IMPOSED by government is another positive.

    I appreciate your sharing your position.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Abortion IS the central issue because if she had had an abortion, which was her CHOICE, this situation would never have arisen.

    Furthermore your post makes the erroneous assumption that he is a "bad parent". That is NOT in evidence in the OP. He just RESENTS her for the SITUATION that he created for himself. That situation only arose because he DEMANDED that she carry his unwanted child to term. That is what the anti-abortionists are also demanding without any actual appreciation of the consequences.
     
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    :) GREAT POST!!!


    I bet this dude just could NOT figure out why his girlfriend didn't want a kid.....and NOW he knows :)

    :) :)

    Then the Big Whiny Baby calls her a deadbeat mom when she's giving more than she legally has to !!

    AND he isn't the one who had to go through the 9 months of body wrecking pain and pregnancy and delivery!!!

    Wow, this guy sure got bitter when he realized:

    A. Women usually do what they want without permission from men :) :)

    B. ..and what it means to be a single parent ...to have custody of the kid and have all the day to day care to provide without a break...and he's whining when he only has ONE !!!



    GAWD, I feel sorry for his child !!
     
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    Seldom (if ever) do these people even THINK about the Born child....once it gets outside the mother it is fodder. I guess this guy will be thinking about it for quite some time.
     
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    Back off little one.

    I am a strong believer in a woman's right to choose AND in keeping the government out of all of this.

    THIS is not about abortion. If you completely reverse the roles. He wanted her to have an abortion she refused and is now complaining about his refusal to involve himself with the child the outcome is the same.

    This is not about abortion but about the choice to become or not become a parent. He could have adopted the child and solved all of his problems he chose otherwise. Not about abortion.
     
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    Uh, why would he adopt his own child?

    "She" is not complaining.

    What OP did you read?
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm guessing you need to bone up on your English.

    The parent who puts the child up for adoption is involved in the adoption process. You can choose to misunderstand of you want. Extremists generally do.

    The "she is complaining" was prefaced by a condition. That you chose to ignore the prefacing condition is another thing extremists do.

    Why is it not possible for one to be in agreement WITHOUT agreeing to be an extremist?
     
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    The OP:

    Here is a REAL LIFE SITUATION where the man DEMANDED that his girlfriend carry "HIS CHILD" to term when she wanted to have an abortion.

    http://tfln.co/single-dad-deadbeat-mom-son/

    This is HIS side of the STORY![NM] I got a girl pregnant and she wanted to get an abortion but I didn’t want that. She ended up not getting one but now she is not involved at all.

    We weren’t in a serious relationship when she got pregnant. She has never met our son. Even after the birth she had no desire to see him. We went to court to figure custody and support could be figured out and I have 100% full legal and physical custody. Her name is on the birth certificate but she has no custody and no right to visitation or to make things like medical or education decisions. She didn’t want any of that. Every month she pays 125% of the court ordered child support. She says that if I ever marry someone who wants to adopt him she will agree but until then she’ll pay support. It’s been this way since our son was born.

    I’m raising our son all on my own. He is 18 months old now and he has never met her and I don’t even have any photos of her even. I am burned out and hate being a single parent. I love my son but I resent him. My family tries to help when they can but I do it most of the time. I would never hurt or neglect him but I am exhausted all the time. I tried to go to court to give her split custody but because she wanted an abortion and I didn’t and she made it clear she would never be involved after the birth, and because we went to court when he was 6 months old but because we already went after he was born and agreed on things and now she pays more support than is court ordered the judge said he can’t force her to look after him. I haven’t seen her in almost a year and the last I heard she has a tummy tuck and laser stretch marks treatment and is working at a gym. She also told her friends and family she is an egg donor and not a mother. She is a deadbeat mom and the court won’t do anything and is forcing me to struggle as a single parent. Do I have any legal remedies here?


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    SHOW ME WHERE ADOTION WAS MENTIONED.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Puerile ad hom ignored for derogatory reasons!
    Your are entitled to your fallacious opinion however that does NOT alter the FACT that this is ALL ABOUT ABORTION RIGHTS and what will happen to more and more men if the anti-abortionists make it illegal.
     
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    Too bad he had to bring an unwanted child into this world BEFORE he started thinking about the consequences.

    Hopefully his plight might make others think about what happens to unwanted children AFTER they are born.
     
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    He should have been FORCED to watch a video on day to day life with a baby....every minute, because that's what a baby takes, every minute and every penny...and people contemplating having kids should be forced to watch real life first..
     
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    Dealing with the REALITY of raising an unwanted child should be mandatory education for EVERYONE.

    Education does wonders when it comes to eliminating theist mumbo-jumbo about the imaginary "sanctity of life".
     
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    where do they live that doesn't have an abortion joint for her to visit? I can't find it in the article.

    oh and **** him, what a little b****.
     
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    So she agreed to have the baby and now he regrets convincing her. He can drop the baby off at any fire station.
     
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    :) Well, he could but then he couldn't whine about her paying him more than she has to...
     
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    Which would mean she would no longer be required to pay him 125% of child support.

    However if he does drop the kid off at a fire station that would just go to prove that he DEMANDED that yet another UNWANTED child was brought into this world which is what the anti-abortionists insist should be happening to an additional million kids each and every year.
     
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    He is not in a position to demand anything. He managed to convince her.
     
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    If they get their absolutist ideals passed into law, they instantly lose. Prohibition has never worked on matters of human behavior. The only way to prevent abortion is prevention of unwanted pregnancy and support for those who find themselves pregnant, whatever the circumstance, they do not wish to be pregnant.

    Prevention by all known methods. Education and pledges not to get pregnant for the recently hormonally flooded youth.of the country. Readily available contraception, as in pills, IUD's, condoms, all options on the table select-able by the woman with her doctor's advice.

    Support for pregnancy. Human nature is what it is, best efforts to prevent unwanted pregnancy will sometimes fail. So make certain women know that adoption is a real thing they can count upon. That childbirth will be paid for if poor. The entire spectrum covered from pre-natal to post-natal care.

    I consider myself anti-abortion. But it is plainly incompetent to imagine a law can end the practice. Best we can hope for is to encourage and support behaviors to prevent pregnancy and reduce the number that end in abortions. Decide what it is we are trying to win here, a political fight or the saving of lives?

    If it is the latter I chose what works rather than what has been failing constantly for decades.
     
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    The real battle is men wanting control over women. If it was really about the lives of the " unborn children" the so called abortion opponents would be the biggest supporters of sex education, birth control and the morning after pill. Pay attention to what they do not to what thry say.
     
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    Good post with one exception. Women know adoption is an option. No amount of money can pay for what her body goes through in gestation and childbirth. So called "Pro-LIFERS" only care about the fetus, not actual born children so why would you expect them to pay for a woman's medical bills? Her loss of wages? Possible job loss? Education setbacks? Pain and suffering ?...(.just to give someone else a kid..)...



    ..women may CHOOSE that option but there should never be pressure to do so..
     
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    I agree women are well aware of so long existing an option as adoption. The point is support for that option is spotty and difficult and bureaucratic at best.

    I agree the absolutist view of the "Pro-Lifer" side is not pro-life, because it does not support pregnancy, childbirth or the problem of unplanned or unwanted babies.

    Lastly I do not expect them to pay for helping those unplanned or unwanted babies, I am pointing out their failure to do so is part of what feeds the existence of abortion.

    This is something of a theme with me. Pointing out how people's failure to see the unintended consequence of their political positions actually worsens the very issue they seek to correct.I am against abortion but see the clear facts that the most effective solution is not a prohibition on it, it is all the other things that pro-lifers are fighting against.
     
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