What if the border wall isn’t effective?

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  1. Vegas giants

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    The GOP needs illegals for cheap.labor
     
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    You think there will be a 40 foot two thousand mile wall? Lol
     
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    Vehicles that transport people, tunnels, people who are desperate enough will get here. A recent poll came out saying 59% of Americans are not hellbent about getting a wall built. So a little over half the nation. Border security is one thing, but putting all our chips on a physical barrier is downright naive.
     
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    I didn't claim anything. I asked you to provide support for your statement of Democrats supporting increased border security. You either can or you can't
     
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    So you dont know either way. Is that right?
     
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    Cats are difficult to herd.....
     
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    They already have drones. I gave you the specifics of why they can't be used for surveillance. They aren't magic. They have a 2-3 hour flight time. How do you expect to defend our border with a 5 mile range, 3 hour flight time drone?
     
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    Who is taking jobs from Mexico and why would they come here to follow the jobs? They didn't go to China or Indonesia to follow them?

    So, we've been paying them to stay there, like businesses used to pay the mafia to protect them? Isn't that extorsion? Maybe I have the wrong term?

    It is different to question that for immigrant children. If they are born here, there is a huge difference. Now that doesn't mean you get pregnant and squat on some land here. lol It means you have legally come here and you have renounced your former national ties, while pledging your life to the interests of the United States of America. How many have done that?

    You see, a huge influx of folks is quite different from a population sustaining itself through procreation.

    VISAs for wokers who want to go home when they are finished, is only fine on a limited basis. When those visa workers start changing the nation they work in, to meet their needs, that nation is no longer representing it's own. The government needs to be dismantled when this happens. It is no longer following it's own laws.

    It's truly not about time. They don't belong here, so it's about some internal arrogance and lack of pride for their own nation, while being too lay to work on their nation. They could naturally find work in their own nation. Just accept a wage lower than the national average. It works here. It will work at home.
     
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    yes very sensibly..lets remove gates from prisons too while we are at it...they dont work..humans can phase through walls now apparantly
     
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    The wall is merely a campaign promise, and even at that it’s an half assed approach (US taxpayers, not Mexico will be paying for it). It’s like Obama promising to bring our people back from Iraq.

    Remember how Trump sent 5,000 troops down to the border over this caravan, yet nothing happened. No war broke out, no bodies on the battlefield, just a simple exaggeration.
     
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    So you are saying they dont need more drones or more officers or more equipment and that the Democrats wasted that money? I just want to be clear on your claim
     
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    Do you also believe that the house did not just pass funding for increased border security? Just say that clearly please
     
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    The conservatives are tripping all over their feet.

    They can't even begin to justify a wall.

    Good. They are not going to get one, anyway.
     
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    The border security improvement, began and greatly advanced by Obama, is doing well.

    More agents and drones would be helpful to a very good system.

    Anyone who is yelling "open borders" simply does not know what is going on.
     
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    Israel built the wall to prevent illegal immigration.
     
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    It bothers you that illegals may not be able to take jobs from African Americans....

    Can you explain that clearly for me?
     
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    Israel justified, built, and proved that a wall works. So did Nancy Pelosi.
     
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    I am telling you that the drones they are purchasing are mission specific. There is no amount of money or man power that will change that.
     
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    Not really...we’d prefer they be legal, getting paid and paying taxes. San Fran Dems want them illegal and on slave wages.
     
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    And how big is Israel again? Israel and the US is like an apples to oranges comparison.
     
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    Are you going to provide the information supporting this claim or are you going to continue to stall with the same question over and over?
     
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    Let's all face reality. It's about raping the United States for personal gain. The nation many believe doesn't deserve the wealth it created. Many think, "We deserve the same as them. Who do they think they are, anyway? We are just as good as them." It's true to some extent. We overthrew the oppression of England's monarchy and control to get here. We invested, worked with what we had available through invention and innovation. We refused to allow the government to control all that we did.

    However, the United States is changing. It very likely will end up being another nation that is like all others, without the wealth we have. It's happening before our eyes. It's happening with the help of illegal immigration raping us with hate in their hearts. It is not done with love for our ways and determination to create something that all want and can be sold to make more wealth. It is simply hanging onto the coattails of those who created this great nation.
     
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    No you wouldn't. You want them illegal. They are cheaper.
     
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    Not really sure how you got there from my post
    (They already have drones. I gave you the specifics of why they can't be used for surveillance. They aren't magic. They have a 2-3 hour flight time. How do you expect to defend our border with a 5 mile range, 3 hour flight time drone?)

    But you do love to dart around questions you can't answer. The question is, how do you expect to secure 2000 miles of border with 3 hour flight time drones with a 5 mile range?
     
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    This bill directs the Department of the Treasury to establish the Secure the Southern Border Fund to provide funds to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to: (1) construct a barrier along the U.S.-Mexico international border, and (2) purchase U.S. Border Patrol vehicles and equipment.
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/6657
     

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