What Is Economic Fairness?

What nonsense. Some people having to pay other people for permission to access opportunity is not equal access to opportunity.

 

Is logically impossible. Capitalism requires private ownership of land. Private ownership of land forces everyone else to subsidize landowners. Forced subsidies can't be part of a free market. QED

 

so as a typical commie Marxist you want govt to own all the land.....and everything else???

 

You are aware that I have said many times that no one can rightly own land. Government administers its possession and use in trust for the people because that is what government IS -- the sovereign authority over a specific area of land -- and it cannot discharge its duty to secure and reconcile the equal rights of all unless it secures and reconciles the equal rights of all to use what nature provided for all. All governments to date have unfortunately been remiss on that score, but human institutions are not perfect. A trust administrator is not an owner, because it cannot use the trust assets for its own benefit, but must put the beneficiaries' interests first. You are also aware that I do not advocate government ownership of anything but the facilities it needs to discharge its duty of securing and reconciling the equal rights of all to life, liberty, and property in the fruits of their labor. Some examples would be police and military installations, its own office buildings, and natural monopolies such as roads, railroads and harbors, water, sewer, and power systems, etc.

 

All of us have the same access to free education. All of us can torque that into whatever we want. A full Harvard scholarship. Unemployment. 15 hours a week at W@lmart. Personal choice.

 

I regard this incomprehensible babble as a white flag.

 

Government is actually a parasite.

 

so you are a Marxist and think about land exactly the way Marx did?

 

Economics is indeed typically babble to the right wingers...

 

Tax fairness.

Reduce business taxes so that companies can pay more wages and instead of the 1%ers paying your taxes for you, you can spend your wage rises on paying your fair share of the tax.

Reduce business rates and increase income tax rates for the poor.
Wage rises will necessarily follow. But not be enjoyed.

The poor won't be any richer but they will place a higher value on government services. Having paid their way directly, they will be more interested in what they are getting in return for their money.

The total tax take however will be reduced. Tax avoidance is easier for people with less money.

 

Cheap shot.

Lenin died 93-years ago - and most Russians today would not even remember him.

These are the Glorious Times of Mr Putin who went from a poor colonel in the KGB to a multi-millionaire today in only 20 years ... !

 

Just as one-liner sarcasm is parasitical on a debate forum ... ?

 

I gather you mean the "rags-to-riches" miracle that the US offers a very meager percentage of migrants. (Btw, one remains a migrant until they obtain citizenship and ONLY THEN become an immigrant).

 

Government is the key economic agent in capitalism: from original creator of capitalist market to controlling assorted market failures. That's the ironic aspect of right wing libertarians: they're an open sore and a threat to capitalism's survival

 

Are you kidding me? Government has never created wealth because only actor able of creating wealth is the entrepreneur. Government is a parasite that survives by expropriating the resources created by the free market. Name one tjhing government has ever created. Name one successful govenment programme. Name one government agency that has not ended up as corrupt and ever expanding one. Put in the words of the Great Murray Rothbard:

 

In the UK, British Telecom.

Built a successful telephone exchange.

Government can do this. But it is anything but the norm.

 

Bollocks. You are being factually incorrect! Where do you get the "free education from"?

Here is what an education costs in the US today. (Click down to the chart below and see that the cost of a 4-year degree has more than doubled since 1994.) It has become exorbitant.

Those who have obtained "grants or scholarships" are a very small percentage of the total.

It is impossible to say when, but the fact that Post-secondary Education MUST BECOME free, gratis and for nothing (just like Secondary Schooling today) must become the law. (As it is already in Europe.)

And if we were not spending 53% of our national Discretionary Budget on the DoD, we could perform that "magic" throughout the US for our kids ...

PS: I live in France, and like most other European countries, the cost of post-secondary and post-graduate education is almost entirely assumed by the national government. Which is why, as regards Tertiary Achievement Levels the EU has pretty much caught up with the US in terms of achievement rates. (After a devastating WW2.)

 

Capitalism itself. As I said, the very markets that you crow about exist because of government interventionism.

Any public good.

Corruption tends to be inflamed through public-private relations. See, for example, the military industrial complex. Imagine, mind you, the nature of arms production without government regulation...

 

No, they exist despite government interventionism. Regulations can never help the market and if needed, the free market would regulate itself, so government is redundanrt.

Soviet bread lines?

Exactly- corruption always involve the government, rid the governemnt and you rid corruption. If the government would not regulate guns, the black market would vanish and criminals would no longer have monopoly on guns, they would lose their profits and many gangs would vanish. If the government did not control guns and defense we would probably not have a miliitary industrial complex either nor would we have nukes.

 

Your opinion is irrelevant. This is economic history. Western nations used interventionism (at levels that are now stopped by the WTO) to engineer development.

Are you telling me that you're unaware of what public good entail? Tut tut!

You're not making sense. We need national defence and therefore we need arms production. We also need regulation of any arms trade. That public-private relations develop is a necessary result. The Military Industrial Complex analysis, based on liberal political economy, is an endorsement of the importance of public accountability.

 

No, I am not a Marxist; but Marx was educated in classical economics, and I do think about land pretty much as classical economists like Adam Smith, David Ricardo and John Stuart Mill did. Also founder of marginalism Leon Walras and his father Auguste, who both advocated land nationalization; monetarist Nobel economics laureate Milton Friedman, who advocated taxation focused on location subsidy repayment; eminent neoclassicals like Nobel laureate Paul Samuelson who have done likewise, and post-Keynesians like Michael Hudson and Nobel economics laureate William Vickrey who have also done likewise. Of course you are too innocent of economic history to know that Marx himself called location subsidy repayment "capitalism's last ditch" (i.e., its last defense).

 

Communists’ Ten-Point Plan for Erasing Families
Some of these ideas were already emerging in “The Communist Manifesto.” There, Marx and Engels included a shocking but telling 10-point plan for their new ideal of humanity. Here it is, in direct quotation:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

 

No, that is just absurd nonsense from you. Government is absolutely essential in any economy above the hunter-gatherer and nomadic herding stages, because in a settled society, possession and use of land must be administered by a third party whose decisions people will respect. The alternative is feudalism, which guarantees tyranny, poverty, stagnation, and constant warfare over land. When Roman government disappeared from Western Europe in the 5th century, the population, which had been stable, declined by 30% in the next century. It did not decline because of birth control. It is a strange kind of parasite that kills millions of people by no longer being there. Hello?

 

always has been:

"We still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping at the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised to furnish new pretenses for revenue and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without a tribute."

-- Thomas Paine

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them. -----Thomas Jefferson

 

no the alternative is capitalism. Your lib commie friends killed 120 million human souls