What is Taqiyah?

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  1. OJLeb

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    Salam wa'alykum,

    Taqiyah.

    It is a term far too widely used on this forum due in part to a very limited understanding of what exactly it is.

    Now, numerous anti-Islamic websites mention Taqiyah as a way to prove Muslims cannot be trusted. They claim, Taqiyah is way for Muslims to deceive non-Muslims, to benefit Islam and harm everybody else.

    In other words, Taqiyah, by their definition, is lying.

    For educational purposes, the word lying is "yaktheeb" in Arabic. And "Taqiyah" means safegaurd.

    Now that we have that out of the way, I can move on to what Taqiyah actually is. I will allow the Quran to explain for me,

    [16:106] Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief... except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah , and for them is a great punishment;

    While this verse may seem clear enough in what Taqiyah is, which is to hide ones faith during a time when your safety or life are in danger if revealed , it is important to still note the context of the verse.

    Surah an-Nahl was released during the Meccan period of Islamic history, that is, before the Muslims in Mecca left to Medina (which is called the Hijra).

    Now, this is important because during the Meccan period the Quraish, the pagan tribe which "ruled" Mecca, actively persecuted the Muslims. Often they were tortured and killed, simply just for being Muslims. Which is why, during this time, Taqiyah was very valuable for the safety of Muslims.

    As we can see, Taqiyah does not mean to deceive people for Islam. It is a practice used to protect oneself from religious persecution.

    My favourite example of the practice of Taqiyah is the Jews of Nazi Germany. It is my favorite for no other reason than it is a non-Islamic example which showcases perfectly the type of situation which deems Taqiyah as necessary. As we know, during the holocaust, many Jews opted to hide their faith, for obvious reasons. Thus were they practicing Taqiyah. And it saved many of their lives.
     
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    I'm Catholic and one of the first things my Irish Catholic mother taught me is that it is forbidden for a Catholic to ever deny he is Catholic, or deny his or her faith in Jesus Christ.

    And many thousands of Catholics have been martyred because they refused to recant their faith, and many of them are our most beloved saints.

    A Catholic who dies as a martyr has all his sins forgiven and automatically goes to heaven.
     
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    There will only be a few with the intellect to understand the meaning..
     
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    It's one thing to preach it and another to live it though.

    Don't forget, Peter denied Jesus 3 times Blackrook, 3 times in the face of fear.
     
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    Very true and Abraham told Pharaoh that Sara was his sister, NOT his wife.

    Hypocrites tend to be myopic.
     
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    People scared for their lives could say anything. Survival of the fittest, anyway you slice it.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Great shame, isn't it? People have died willingly because of fiction. Such a tragic loss.
     
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    It's understandable that they would lie since what Islam teaches is to admire Allah the most, and Allah is an unabashed deceiver. Shouldn't we CONDEMN Allah if he is the "best of deceivers", and not pray to him?

    "and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers"

    "Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99"

    "So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme "


    If Allah is the "best of deceivers", then arguably Muslims strive to the "the best of deceivers" (unless they will say that Allah was simply wrong.)
    http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_best_deceiver.htm
     
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    This is untrue.
     
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    Read the following Nazi-like Jewish-holocaust wording, that Muslims teach their impressionable children, and tell us that Jews TODAY don't have to fear from the "Nazis of the 21ST CENTURY":
    Hadith narrated by Abi Hurira:
    "The last hour won't come before the Muslims would fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them so Jews would hide behind rocks and trees. Then the rocks and tree would call: oh Muslim, oh servant of God! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only "Gharkad" tree, it is of Jews' trees."


    The ISLAMIC (not the Amish, or Methodist, etc.) Republic of Iran has repeatedly, and consistently, said that they want to wipe the Jews off the planet, so Islam is clearly the "Nazis of the 21st Century".
     
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    OJLeb wins the debate with you unless you tell us WHY you believe it's untrue. I'm not sure it's untrue.
     
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    If this "Allah" fellow is a DECEIVER, then how do we know that Mohammad being a prophet is not just a deception? We don't.
     
  13. janpor

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    I don't "believe" it is untrue. It is.

    Why don't you think for a second about what I said.

    Lots of Jews who survived Nazism, are the ones who fled abroad (UK, USA, Israel, etc.) or the ones who went into hiding.

    They didn't lie about their religious faith or their ancestry. Which is why so many got killed in the first place.
     
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    So, any Muslim who has a non-Muslim opponent can deceive him. Because, the non-Muslim getting the upper hand can be construed as persecuting the Muslim. Part of the problem is that Muslims see themselves as superior to all non-Muslims. All non-Muslims live in the "house of war". Muslims can grant them safety, if they accept lesser status and/or pay a tax.
     

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