What is the difference between an Islamic vs a Christian terrorist?

This is a falsehood - I do not vote to allow Gov't to mess with essential liberty on the basis of illegitimate justification. That would be you.

I am not an atheist but - even if I was - this would not change the fact that your beliefs are Evil and immoral on the basis of primary teaching of Jesus.

Do you have anything other than falsehood and ad hom fallacy ?

 

I told you in the post you are responding to. You have serious denial issues. I like how you conveniently cherry picked the part where I told you what you are now asking - out of my post. This is laughable An example of hardcore denial and avoidance/ 'Thought Stopping Techniques".

As per my previous post

What part of Catholic/Orthodox (The Majority of Christianity) does not accept "Sola Fide" - is having trouble penetrating your wall of denial ?

 

I've done nothing but fulfill your desire to know if I have any questions.

I have 2 and have asked them many times to you. I have not said anything about 2 different theologies, but you've said that 2X now.
If you can't answer the questions, just say you don't know what each have stated as the path to salvation. But one would think, a devout christian as you claim to be, would know the answer or else you really aren't following the words you claim to follow.

 

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What is the difference between an Islamic vs a Christian terrorist?

God....obviously.

 

That is not a difference - That would be a similarity. Christians, Jews and Islamist's believe in the same God - aka - The God of Abraham !

 

Apparently they do not....they even kill each other over it. The only similarity is believing in something no one else can see.....kinda like Harvey the rabbit.

 

There is nothing "apparent" about it. It is not some big secret that Jews and Muslims believe in the same God. God of Abraham = El Shaddai Nor is it any secret that these two groups regularly kill each other - and despise each other. Heck even Shia and Sunny do that.

If it is some other God other than the God of the Jews in which Christians believe ... do tell ?

 

Well, I suppose the version depends on which book they pick, which rules they adopt, which sect and congregation they dwell in, which Preacher/Oman they listen to, which idol they place on the alter....etc....

Each and every believer has developed an individual interpretation of "God" based on personal belief and experience.

 

LOL, let me guess, only your opinions are legitimate? Your totalitarian tendencies are alarming.

Does it bother you that your opinion bothers me not at all?

 

Again, I reject your premise that a choice must be made, see I Cor. 15:3,4 for Paul's view of salvation, which is the same as Jesus'. When you're able to state your position let me know.

 

Perhaps you should start a thread on this topic, it has nothing to do with the OP. Do you even know what church I belong to? As it isn't one of the above churches, why should I care?

 

Nonsense, Christians believe that God became flesh in the person of Jesus Christ, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit in the womb of a virgin named Mary and grew and developed into mature manhood. That isn't the same God Jews and Muslims believe in.

 

I never said a choice has to be made. I have made no statement.
I've simply asked you questions. Very simple clear and straight forward questions. After you asked me if I had any questions.
What is the path to salvation, per Saul?
What is the path to salvation, per Jesus?

You keep hinting that they be different.
My position? No position. Just responding to a post of your that asked me if I had any questions.

 

Are you claiming that the God of Abraham is not the god for the 3 religions consisting of Jewish, Christian, and Muslim?
IMO, you would be wrong.
Are you not a believer in the Trinity of Christianity?
If not, why?
Is so, who is god the father? Most will say the God of Abraham.

Jewish and Christian follow a path from Issac. And Muslims follow from a path of Ismael. Both sons of Abraham. And Abraham is the one who God said would be the father of many Nations.
And Ismael is the elder of the 2 sons. Back in those days, the one to be the heir.

 

3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

So, then, according to those verses one simply needs to believe what is written. According to those scriptures.
Is that your stated belief?
And is that the same statement that Jesus states?

 

Now what are you blubbering about - these are not opinions - this is what is in the Declaration of independence, these are the founding principles, and the rule of law.

How does respect for individual liberty = Totalitarian tendencies ? This is projection of your flaws onto others. You are the one who has no respect for individual liberties - wanting to force your religious beliefs on others through physical violence (Law).

1) Islamist's hate secularism - "separation of Church and State" - same with you
2) Islamist's have no respect for essential liberty - same with you.

This is not an opinion- it is a statement of fact. Yes it bothers me when folks try to force their religious beliefs on others through physical violence.

 

There is a reason why Christianity, Judaism, Islam are called Abrahamic religions - one of which is that they all worship the God of Abraham.

That Christians believe that the God of Abraham became flesh - in the person of Jesus Christ - doesn't change this fact.

The idea that the Christian God is not "YHWH" - at least as far as doctrine goes - is preposterous nonsense.

 

You were the one that took the topic in this direction and further - differences in the salvation formulations between Christianity and Islam does have something to do with the OP.

What Church you belong to - does not change the fact that Christianity does not have a unified salvation formulation. What Church do you belong to ?

 

Few would disagree that faith in Christ's atoning death on the cross is the key, and the vast majority of Christians agree on the essentials of the faith, as expressed in the creeds for instance.

Fair enough, this one: http://anglicanchurch.net/

Now tell me what your world-view is.

 

I'm not saying the Christian God is not "YHWH", I'm saying Islam does not, and Judaism in part, does not believe in that God in His fullness. Neither accept the doctrine of the Trinity, which can be found as early as Genesis, where God said, "Let US make man in OUR image."

 

Just like you want to force your beliefs on others through physical violence. Tell me where in our founding documents it says religious belief must sideline a believer from involvement in public policy issues, or did you just make that up?

Wrong again, I support separation of Church and State, what position do you imagine I hold that supports Congress establishing a state church?

Wrong again, in fact what we think of as basic human rights arose in the Judeo Christian West and no place else.

Not only is that merely opinion, it is an asinine one.

 

I would say so, see John 3:16.

Why do you care?

 

The creed is not the salvation formulation. Whether you are referring to the Apostles Creed or Nicene.

I come from a very religious background - Lutheran and have close relatives (as in more than one) who are members of the clergy - attending the Missouri Synod = 8 years of school prior to becoming a Pastor.

Interesting that you come from an Anglican background. I would have pegged you as a fundamentalist.

In any case .. the Episcopal Church does "Not" accept inerrancy or infallibility = recognizes that the Bible contains errors and is fallible.

 

The idea that the modern Trinity doctrine is expressed in Genesis nonsense. No serious religious scholar believes this.

That the writers of Genesis were trying to express the idea that the Son was God is patent nonsense. "The Son" did not exist.

As said to you previously - the Israelite's believed in a divine Pantheon the "US" in that sentence is referring to the divine pantheon - other Gods.

A Jew - and after all it is their book - written in their language - would laugh you out of the room in claiming that this is an affirmation of the Trinity.

Regardless - none of this changes the fact that all three Abrahamic religions believe in the same God - as per their religious doctrine.

The reality is something different. The reality is that the God of Abraham was El - (Enlil, Elyon) El Shaddai - is an epithet of El - God of the Mountain. "the Most High" "The Father" and so on. The Chief God of the Sumerian - and later the Canaanite Pantheon.

YHWH is something different - at least in the beginning. Later on the attributes of El and Baal were fused into the personage of YHWH - whose consort was Asherah. This is your "divine Trinity" Father Son and Mother Goddess - fused into one. This is what YHWH monotheism was about - but this was not what the author of Genesis was trying to convey as this is from a time that was prior to YHWH monotheism.

El is depicted as the head of the Divine Pantheon in Psalm 82

http://www.jhsonline.org/Articles/article_144.pdf

References to the Sons of God in the OT are references to "The Sons of God".

Job 1- 6 - One day the "Sons of God" came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”

Deuteronomy 32 http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DT32BibSac.pdf

 

I do not support forcing ones beliefs on others through physical violence - not with respect to essential liberty- You do.

What is more is that you agree that it is valid to make law on the basis of religious belief = you do not believe in separation of Church and State.

Blubbering about the origins of basic human rights does not change the fact that you have no respect for essential liberty - forcing religious beliefs on others through physical violence is an anathema to respect for essential liberty.

This is a statement of fact - not opinion - regardless of your desperate attempt to claim otherwise - and deny your own beliefs.