What makes a mass shooter?

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  1. FatBack

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    There is no "automatic" and "fully automatic" it is either automatic or semi automatic.

    Guess what? Semi autos, "automatically reload".
    It would be helpful to seek some education on this topic before bloviating on the subject.
     
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    I have to see how this one goes.

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    You should have read the report, not just the summary.

    Only 25% of the active shooters had been formally diagnosed with a mental illness. But almost all had mental health problems - see page 16 and 17 of the report, almost every "stressor" listed is a mental health issue. And the few that are not directly related to mental health (such as physical injury) can cause mental health problems.

    Mental health is the single common denominator in all the mass killers. With the exception of the Las Vegas shooter, all of the other mass killers had serious mental health problems which were noticed by the people around them.
     
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    Did I dispute the findings? My quote was from the summary in that report.

    Now there are mental health issues and then there are mental health issues. By your criteria every person on the planet could be classified as having a " mental health issue"
     
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    Debate by meme

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    -Need for attention, to be famous
    -Inability to regulate emotions
    -Feels disconnected from society; lacks peers
    -Trivializes others, likely as a response to having been trivialized by others
    -Lacks constructive purpose, never learned the joy of creating
     
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    Thank you
    We will submit your response to the FBI for thier consideration
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, Im sorry, you were looking for 'the gun did it'?
     
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    No and it might help if you read the OP and the report it came from
     
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    Jayzuz....over 38,000 posts and you reckon Jones is a better snake oil salesman than Trump. He mesmerises millions, and all you care about is a dickhead called Jones?
     
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    Were you not asking 'What makes a mass shooter?'

    ...or was the question merely the openner for your presentation?
     
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    Factually incorrect. No mass shooting in the united states has been carried out with a full-automatic firearm. It is intellectually dishonest to suggest that semi-automatic firearms, and fully-automatic firearms, are substitution goods for one another.
     
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    The relevant point being what precisely? Such firearms have been in existence since the late nineteenth century. They are hardly a new concept, and not going anywhere. The dominance of the double-action revolver in the united states is long over. Get used to it and adapt to the current circumstances rather than complaining about something that is not going to change.

    Again. Precisely what is the relevant point?
     
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    Perhaps it is because there are too many people in the united states population, not nearly enough experts in the field of mental health, too many medications prescribed far too readily by the pharmaceutical companies, and too much of an effort at stigmatizing and weaponizing the matter of mental health.

    In short, simple, uncomplicated terms, it could be described as too many people in need of help, not enough help to go around, and too much distrust on both sides of the spectrum.
     
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    Such firearms have been common for the better part of a century. Before the AR-15 and its derivatives, it was the M1 carbine from world war two. Yet mass shootings with such rifles is a relatively recent development in the united states, spanning far less than half the time such firearms have been widely available to the public.

    Beyond that particular matter, it has been observed how numerous mass shootings have been carried out with common handguns and shotguns, none semi-automatic in their function, and yet the body count is still noted as being high.
     
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    Factually incorrect.
     
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    For all of the claims that have been made regarding such, there has not been a single piece of advertising literature by firearm manufacturers that has been found to show the phrase "assault weapon" was created by them for the purpose of promoting their products. An exhaustive search has been performed, but no such literature has ever been found.
     
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    It was implied by simply using the word "automatic" without the necessary modifier for defining what was meant.

    And yet the difference between a semi-automatic firearm, and a fully-automatic firearm, is of such significant importance, it is specifically defined by federal law. Thus meaning the difference between the two is indeed important to keep straight in discussions.
     
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    While you may think so there is a major difference with firing semi-auto versus full-auto, and that difference is accuracy.

    Had Paddock fired semi-auto he would not have missed as many people as he did, the majority of the rounds he fired hit pavement and other non-human objects, had he fired-semi auto he could have killed many more people.
     
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    Robert, if I read your response correctly I get the idea you don't see trump as 'a magician in group psychology'. That just proves how good he is.
     
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    nah, automatic is different than "fully automatic" in the minds of those who aren't learned in this area. nice crawfishing there
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump never led over 900 people to their deaths whom were part of a cult. Trump really appeals to millions of Americans. Let him offer poison kool aid though and nobody on our side plans to drink it.
     
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    I agree with that. Army training and no doubt Marine training with automatic weapons includes how to get them to be more accurate. And limit the number of shots is the desired way. We were trained to fire no more than a "burst of 6" when I was trained by the Army in 1962. Also we were told how the enemy in Korea managed to penetrate the machine gun fire and make it to the point of attacking.
     
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    Keep in mind that every single round that 'only' hit pavement or gravel caused a lot of injury and possible death just by the debris being kicked up by the bullet's impact.
     
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