What makes a mass shooter?

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  1. Vegas giants

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    A lie is a claim. Prove that it was in fact a lie.

    Same standard
     
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    Obviously there is some grey area
    But functionally speaking, a bump firr arrangement produces the same result
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obviously there is some grey area
    But functionally speaking, a bump firr arrangement produces the same result
     
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    None of which will actually do anything to prevent another Nice-type attack from occurring. If a terrorist does not care about dying for their case, they will not case about their license being photocopied either.
     
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    And yet they have been both widely and freely available to the general public of the united states since world war two.
     
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    Which does not address the current point of discussion.
     
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    Even if such truly is the case rather than hyperbole and misrepresentation on the part of yourself, it means absolutely nothing.
     
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    Concealed handgun permit holders in the US have committed way more mass shootings than the entire population of Australia during the last 20 years.

    "Washington, DC — Saturday’s assault rifle attack at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania—which left 11 dead and six injured, including four law enforcement officers—is the most recent mass shooting perpetrated by a concealed handgun permit holder. Since 2007, at least 32 mass shootings (three or more fatalities) have been committed by concealed handgun permit holders across the nation."
    http://vpc.org/press/tree-of-life-s...hooting-by-a-concealed-handgun-permit-holder/

    'Murica.
     
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    Did he use a concealed weapon in the attack? How many crimes have concealed weapons holders stopped?
     
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    Good uestion because if they have stopped fewer mass shootings than they have caused then......

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    Ooooooopppss!
     
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    Show proof that each of these were in fact cncealed weapons holders. Show how many of these shootings happened in areas where other CCW holders could have legally carried.

    Could these shooters have still committed their crimes if they weren't CCW holders?
     
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    Goal post shift
     
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    No, you're claiming that CCW holders committed the listed mass shootings. Since CCW status is not public record, and VPC has been known to embellish, the claim that these are CCW holders needs proof to be accepted.
     
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    so does a fast finger. BFD. and a bump fire stock might well have decreased casualties.
     
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    But did you fail to notice you are not speaking of the topic?
     
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    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."...... Thomas Jefferson

    Since the birth of OUR Great Nation the American People have known that Freedom has never been Free.........& that Liberty always has it's costs.....

    From time to time Americans will lose their lives......have their blood spilled, & that sometimes it is the difficult Price of being American........Americans who have always cherished our Freedom & Liberty above all else, even above our life itself!

    Americans will always grieve for those that have fallen, & we will ask for the strength to get through these difficult, & sometimes unbearable times......

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    We will continue to enjoy the Freedoms & Liberties passed down to us through generations before us.....

    We will never forget those who passed before us, & we will also never give up the Freedom & Liberty that those who passed before us, sometimes gave every last measure of life, to pass on to us the Freedoms & Liberties we so cherish as Americans

    That is the American way of life.

    That is something no other People in the World have ever come to understand.

    As Americans we can tell the world what Freedom & Liberty is, but unfortunately we just can't understand it for them.

    Americans will never give up our Right to Keep & Bear Arms, & no enemy, foreign or domestic, nor government, foreign or domestic, shall ever be permitted by the American People to take that Right from us........

    The Right Of The People To Keep And Bear Arms, Shall Not Be Infringed........for it is this unalienable Right, the Right that Defends & Protects, all the other cherished Rights of the People .... We the People!
     
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    That's a myth.
     
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    What the author of the article did was assume that because the shooters had a concealed firearms that where used in the shootings they must of have had licenses to carry those firearms which is not true.
     
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    First, there is no evidence that the individual in question possessed a concealed carry permit at the time of the incident.

    Second, the criteria for an incident qualifying as a mass shooting is four or more individuals dead, not three. Thus the violence policy center is deliberately engaging in intellectual dishonesty.

    Third, the violence policy center is not a credible citation after the deceit engaged in by Josh Sugarmann.
     
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    The citation does nothing to indicate that the individuals in question actually possessed valid concealed carry permits.

    The violence policy once claimed that Jared Loughner, the individual who shot representative Gabriel Giffords, was a legal concealed carrier because he was carrying his firearm in a concealed manner at the time immediately prior to the incident.
     
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    If off topic irrelevancies are introduced to the discussion, they will indeed be called out.
     
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    Interesting. Because what you described is exactly how I see people on the left.

    How can they attack, stalk, and threaten what they have been convinced is the enemy, while claiming the people they are attacking and stalking are the violent ones?

    What kind of brainwashing does that take?

    It's a shame everyone can't take a step back and see what is actually going on.
     
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    I did not post "my criteria", I posted about the FBI criteria - what they called "stressors" - which the mass killers had in common.

    Their conclusion was that while only 25% of the killers had been formally diagnosed with a mental illness, all had significant mental health problems.

    You would do well to actually read reports before posting them.
     
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    "The only stressor that applied to more than half the sample was mental health (62%, n = 39)."

    62% is not all. You would do well to practice what you preach.
     
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    Wow, total FAIL.

    Read the report. Multiple stressors apply to each person. Simply glancing at the percentages in the table you would see they total far more than 100% so obviously (to a thinking person) the shooters suffered from multiple mental issues. This lack of comprehension explains why you are so spoofed by VPC.
     

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