What, precisely, does Ron DeSantis denote/connote when he proclaims...

Ron DeSantis was heard recently proclaiming (and avowing I guess) that "Florida is where Woke comes to die". Yes I realize that wokeism's definition is addressed in another thread in this sub-forum but I crave to know what this potential presidential contender precisely means when he uses the term. I'd venture that maybe some pocket of libs started using the term to denote "enlightened" and some right-leaning reactionaries resented their presumption. Clue us in thanks.

 

It means he's running for prez, trying to supplant Individual 1 as the grievance candidate.

 

He means Florida is where freedom of speech comes to die. That's his call to embrace fascism.

Not wrong, but more than "enlightened" a more adequate meaning would be "aware". As in aware of social inequality. That's all it means to libs. Fascists don't feel confortable, for obvious reasons, with people talking about social inequality.

 

In this context, I believe 'wokeism' refers generally to the practice of legislating to cater to irrational feelings instead of legislating to improve and protect society. So it's decidedly subjective and ultimately a meaningless proclamation. Though, to be fair, if it generally translates to 'how we do in Florida' then I generally approve.

 

Florida has such a bad reputation thanks to DeSantis that it's now the number one destination for people fed up with blue states like New York and California.

 

For starters, he wants to stop the sexual grooming of children in schools. We know that lefties HATE when any politician gets in the way of THE LEFT'S sick obsession with sexual grooming. He won't stand for it! and that makes them MAD! I look forward to seeing DeSantis trigger libs way worse than Trump already has.

I wonder if we'll be able to say "DDS" on here. Probably not!

 

Desantis is just appealing to his base. If he stops Trump, more power to him. I am not sure he has what it take though to win a national campaign. He just doesn't seem particularly bright or agile.

 

Hey kids, want to change your sex? Just insert your school identity card into one of kiosks and follow the prompts. We're gender neutral here do what you want with the rest of your life.

 

Children are not treated as adults when it comes to their rights. Nor are teachers, or school librarians, at least while performing their duties as school employees. For example, Courts ruled way the hell back when I was a kid that a child's locker at school does not require a search warrant for school staff to unlock and inspect it. Teachers are now and have always been (for at least as long as public schools have existed) restricted on what they are and are not allowed to teach, including what lesson plans are appropriate, and even what subjects are permissible, right down to the textbooks.

Public school libraries have always had restrictions on what books and magazines they cannot carry, as an easy example, there weren't even Penthouse mags behind the country in my schools, including college. Maybe some folks had them, I dunno. I have no issues with that mag, BTW, even knew the owner of it for a time, though I'm not sure they're even still in business. But they are not appropriate for children, and neither is teaching the youngest of them things like sexual preferences, gender identities, or those sorts of things that the left is desperately trying to do. It wasn't all that long ago that even a lefty teacher (and they have almost all been lefties for a very, very long time) would agree with me on that, if nothing else, but even that has recently changed.

The left is acting like government control over school curriculum, textbooks, and so forth is something that Desantis invented solely to teach kids that slavery never happened, but the reality is they are scared crapless of losing their power to a very, very capable executive who has done amazing things for his State, that I am lucky enough to reside in. Thanks in large part to so many people pouring in from low freedom States (not to mention unreasonably high taxes) like NY and CA that my house went from under $100k to somewhere north of $250k since we bought it in 2016.

It's all just a preemptive hit job on Ron because he scares them and will take the USA back to what it is supposed to be, with things like common sense, capitalism, low taxes, small government, personal responsibility, and paying your own loans off rather than making people you don't even know pay for them. Fortunately, SCOTUS is going to shoot that down, but unfortunately, it served its purpose in terms of buying votes for the midterms, which was the whole point. Biden may have lost a bit too much of his mental acuity to realize it, but his lawyers know and knew that he didn't have that authority without a bill on his desk from Congress, which he didn't have.

Wokeness is the idea that our entire country has racism, sexism, and homophobia built into its very fabric to such a degree, that burning it all down and rebuilding it in their socialist image is the only way to fix things. The homophobia thing is long gone, as Obergefell was decided what, 9 years ago now? And the last poll I saw was that even 70% of Republicans agree that same-sex marriage ought be legal, a stance that I concur with and was quite vocal about on this very forum. The rest is bunk.

The Civil Rights Act was enacted well before I was born, and I'm borderline old now, and while attitudes don't change overnight, during my lifetime they have done so, rather radically for the better. Unfortunately, in the past 5 years give or take, race relations have gotten worse, mostly because us white folks are tired of hearing about how we owe reparations for sins we never committed against people who are no longer alive. We're tired of it being racism or 'redlining' if a neighborhood is mostly white, but when blacks choose to live in the same area with each other, that's just fine. A white former student is suing Howard University, a historically discriminatory, er I mean HBCU, because he was treated horribly, and ultimately expelled improperly, all because he dared to enroll as a white guy in 'their' college.

Most real Americans, republican or not, are tired of hearing about how great socialism would be, as preached by their Holiness the Sanders of Vermont, and his high-Priestess, the AOC of Brooklyn, as he preaches from one of his many homes (all somehow paid for on a government salary), we're tired of out and proud socialists being elected to the Congress of the USA, and we're tired of being called racist because we don't toe the lefty 'cool kid' party line.

I would say we're tired of having our gun rights threatened, but save for the occasional troll on internet forums, the US Supreme Court has put that controversy to bed once and for all.

 

WOKE is an attack on the American People. This vile ideology of hatred and revenge will be given no quarter by the Free People of FL.

As for Trump vs DeSantis, DeSantis Seems Content to Let Trump Run Against Trump for a While. “Speaking of publicity — the longer DeSantis waits to announce his candidacy, the greater the buzz will build about whether he will or not. It’s free press on autopilot.”



'Everyone is talking about Ron DeSantis running for president except Ron DeSantis. Trump has definitely been acting like DeSantis is already in the race.'

'DeSantis is in a unique position in that he doesn’t need to put much effort into getting publicity for himself. Friendly and unfriendly media devote a lot of attention to him. The negative publicity doesn’t hurt DeSantis at all, at least not with the people he needs on his side if he is going to run for president. They all know that the Democrats’ flying monkeys in the mainstream media are lying about him. The relentless anti-DeSantis propaganda may very well be some of the best promo he gets.'

'Former President Donald Trump: The race for the 2024 Republican nomination is — by the indications of most polls — his to lose. Despite the polls — and his trademark bravado — Trump has been behaving as if he’s already losing to DeSantis. It’s gotten a little bizarre. The mere specter of a DeSantis candidacy has Trump committing unforced errors that aren’t helping him at all.'

 

Except DeSantis does not define what "wokeism" actually is. He uses buzz words and emotional philosophy to get what he wants. That's it.

 

WOKE is just the evolution of Political Correctness.

 

I actually agree completely with the part of your conclusion, I highlighted in red. However your description (underlined), it is undeniable, is also actually a highly subjective judgement: that, first, this has to do only with legislation (at least that is what you wrote); and second, that any legislation that is attached to a "woke" idea, implicitly, is not going to "improve (or) protect society." IOW, I am saying that, while you can no doubt find examples of this, so could there be found examples of any "ism"-- conservativism, liberalism, etc.-- being behind some non- beneficial, if not even foolish, misguided, hateful, or just plain stupid legislation; those individual examples, however, you presumably do not use, to characterize those entire philosophical bents.

To show you what I mean, let me contrast what a more neutrally objective description could sound like, in answer to @metypea1 .
Wokeism, while it's meaning varies, from person to person, is basically an acceptance of multiculturalism, and represents a desire to promote "domestic tranquility," in that dynamic, through mutual respect for our differences.

 

Lol, do right wingers really believe this or is this trolling?

 

If you have no common sense it is useless to explain for you.

 

If you ended it there I might not be offended, Multiculturalism is fine as long as it remains subordinate to American culture. We ALL love "domestic tranquility"....that is unless we're playing the" race card." Gender Confusion, the Revision of History, and indoctrinating our children with social engineering of any kind is where I draw the line. You teach children in public schools the fundamentals to earn a living with an appreciation for the arts. Anything beyond that is indoctrination and is an infringement on the rights of parents.

 

Who is doing this “sexual grooming”? Honestly with all the porn on the internet the poor teacher does not get a look in. I have to ask did WE suddenly decide to change genders because David Bowie wore a dress?

Or Boy George

Or Annie Lennox


Or any of dozens of Rock Stars since the sixties

 

I've even seen Brad Pitt model a dress. It's all disgusting. They may not all be queer, but perhaps they're all just thinking about it. Yes, it's all sexual perversion and grooming at different levels.

 

Couldn't agree with you more. If Trump by some miracle could tone it down and not attack others with like ideals....I probably could support him. But then I realize, Trump would be running for four while DeSantis would run for eight! Maybe Trump could offer DeSantis VP then it would be 12 years of America 1st! Probably a long shot but it would be best for America!!

 

The part, then, which you had found offensive, and which you'd thought insubordinate, that is, in violation of, "American culture," had been:

"through mutual respect for our differences?"

 

E Pluribus Unum. Ever hear of it?. Guess you prefer to be a hyphenated American.

 

And this has been part of our culture since the sixties

Have you any evidence that this “groomed” anyone - ever?

 

That is the hallucination, brought on by drinking the "Cool Aid."

 

"One nation," does not mean, of uniform members. Let me ask you-- how many bodies do you have?

And how many different types of cells? Do they, nonetheless, cooperate, and "respect" one another? Or has your immune system forced all the other cells to conform, so that you are, now, only a mass of lymphocytes?

 

I didn't mean to imply that legislation catering to feelings couldn't possibly benefit society. It might, coincidentally. But its far better to legislate with objective social benefits being the primary goal. Trying to legislate 'respect' is a fail right from the start, being that its not only subjective, but also unprovable. Peaceful coexistence on the other hand must be enforced to the highest extent possible (perhaps that's what you meant by 'respect'?). Multiculturalism is generally a noble goal... however not all cultures value peaceful coexistence, and thus not all cultures can be 'respected' or even tolerated in a free society. I'm not sure what 'domestic tranquility' would even mean, but I imagine it will tend to run in opposition to freedom of speech, which must be protected and defended absolutely.