What should be done about people that framed General Flynn?

Never said it was. So not sure what I've supposedly "backed down from". In fact, in prior posts I said I have no problem with the charges being dropped.

 

Lying is a crime if you are sworn in and in a court of law.

 

Well good,,..glad you agree the case should be dismissed. He's an innocent man

 

It can be if it's about a material fact in question...that's what perjury is.

Lying to your boss, girlfriend, mother, son, whoever.....isn't ever a crime.

 

Such as? Seriously, what crime did the create here?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Flynn#Investigations_after_leaving_the_Trump_administration

"On December 1, 2017, Flynn and special counsel Robert Mueller agreed to a plea bargain in the District of Columbia's U.S. District Court. In the agreement, Flynn pleaded guilty to "willfully and knowingly" making "false, fictitious and fraudulent statements" to the FBI regarding conversations with Russia's ambassador. In the Statement of the Offense to which Flynn agreed, he admitted having falsely denied that on December 29, 2016 he asked Russia's ambassador to the United States Sergey Kislyak "to refrain from escalating ... in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia that same day." Flynn's guilty plea acknowledged that he was cooperating with the Mueller investigation, and it was accepted by the court."

The FBI did not create a law or a crime in this case. Flynn was clearly guilty, and once he knew he was caught in at least one illegal lie, he laid down like a dog and agreed to tell all, something he still has not done. Now he wants to take it back? BS. Justice doesn't work that way. Crimes are supposed to have consequences.

He wasn't coerced, he wasn't railroaded or framed. The SOB is guilty and should be in jail.

 

Bullshit. The FBI was closing the case until Peter Strzok, and hooker mistress Lisa Page intervened with some Logan act nonsense. There was a reason Strzok was fired.

 

Yep. That is the crime that they created.

Here is my challenge: Why did the agents ask Flynn a question that they already knew the answer?

Just try to come up with a theory which doesn't involve trying to trap him.

 

Prove it.

 

Oh, FFS! Seriously?

Of course they knew the answer! Geebus, that's how law enforcement has worked since the effing dawn of civilization! They investigate, they gather evidence, they interrogate their suspect, they try to catch them in a lie. Criminology 101, basic stuff. In Flynn's case, easy-peasy. He's a freaking liar and his lies have consequences.

Our laws make it a crime to lie to the FBI, regardless of whether or not you are under oath. Flynn knew that, I know that, and now you know that. The FBI didn't create a damned thing here.

smh . . .

 

FBI moved to close Flynn case due to lack of evidence until Strzok intervened to keep it open, unsealed documents show
https://www.google.com/amp/s/disrn....closing-flynn-case-unsealed-documents-say/amp

Internal FBI documents unsealed on Thursday show that as the FBI moved to close the investigation into former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn due to lack of evidence, disgraced former FBI agent Peter Strzok intervened to keep it open and active.

The documents surfaced just a day after internal FBI notes revealed that top bureau officials talked about their motivations for interviewing Flynn, questioning whether their goal was "to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired" and to get Flynn "to admit to breaking the Logan Act."

 

"They investigate, they gather evidence, they interrogate their suspect, they try to catch them in a lie."

Yes. That is what I said. They created a crime.

 

I doubt much can be done. Lying and politics aren't illegal. I don't think even abuse of power is illegal.

 

Are they democrats? If yes, than nothing, democrats are perfect and above the law in everything they do, silly rabbit.

 

the one where he PLEADED GUILTY. That's a confession for the uninformed.

 

It is if you lie to a federal agent or under oath.

Course lying can also get you fired, which is exactly what happened to Flynn.

 

Yes it got him fired

no it’s not a crime to do either unless the lie is material to the case or investigation

 

No that’s a plea. Continuing reading my comments in this thread and follow the links.

 

no thanks. Seems you aren't familiar with what a plea is. It is an ADMISSION OF GUILT. Perhaps a legal dictionary would help.

 

You mean like an investigation into a foreign agent denying he had any interactions with foreign government officials, when said foreign official's communications and comings and goings are monitored by the intell community.

Keep grasping at straws. No doubt its a strategy that plays well in trumpland.

 

Sure, it's not the same as a confession.

Either way innocent people take pleas all the time, they do so because of pressure, such as threats to prosecute family members, or financial hardships, such as going bankrupt and losign your house defending your case.

Either way, thankfully we have the ability to withdraw that plea if need be in our system...especially when it comes to light the Mueller team was withholding Brady evidence. that exonerates the defendant...Flynn in this case.

 

He never denied he had contact with the Russian amb.

Try again.

 

In a more just world, everything they did to Flynn, would be done to them.

Spying Obama’s Corrupt FBI Offered To Pay Slandering Christopher Steele To Dig Up Dirt on Good Guy Mike Flynn.

Framed By Dirty Deep State.​

Merchant of Slander, Slime and Wild Prostitute Pissing Stories, Christopher Steele, was offered money by Spying Obama’s Corrupt FBI to dig up dirt on Good Guy Michael Flynn. The indecent proposal came in the weeks before the 2016 election. The inspector general’s report, released on Dec. 9, 2019, said that Corrupt FBI agents offered to pay Slandering Steele ‘significantly’ to collect intelligence from three separate ‘buckets’ that the bureau was pursuing as part of Infamous Crossfire Hurricane, its questionable counterintelligence probe of four Trump campaign associates.

Corrupt FBI agents also wanted contact with “any individuals or sub sources” whom Slandering Steele could provide to “serve as cooperating witnesses to assist in identifying persons involved in their pre-textual "Trump campaign-Russian relationship.”

The Spying Obama administration never had any empirical evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

The revelation adds a new layer to the exploding Obamagate scandal. Recently released documents show that Slandering Steele “peddled an unfounded rumor that Flynn had an extramarital affair with a Russian woman in the United Kingdom.” Prior to this revelation, it was not known that Slandering Steele had investigated Good Guy Mike Flynn. Slandering Steele was previously only known to have slandered Donald Trump, Carter Page, Paul Manafort, and Michael Cohen.

 

Investigated , presumably tried, and presumably convicted.

 

Jonathan Turley wonders today where everyone else’s outrage over abusive prosecution and judgment has gone, especially in the Fake News media:

For decades, the legal community has decried common practices used by prosecutors to coerce pleas from defendants. Prosecutors often stack up charges and then drain defendants until they agree to pleading guilty. There was a time when such abuses were regularly called out in leading newspapers. These are not those times.

The Flynn case was a textbook example of these abuses but media commentators quickly adopted the “anyone who pleads guilty must be guilty” mantra. Suddenly, the “proof is in the plea” regardless of false representations, withheld evidence, and conflicting findings in the Flynn case.

The only acceptable take in the media is that the motion to dismiss the Flynn case is an outrageous politicization of the justice system. This narrative is only possible by ignoring the long-standing questions over the handling and charge in the case. Indeed, it is telling how both controlling law and countervailing facts have been uniformly (and knowingly) ignored in order to portray the case as a virtual immaculate prosecution. …

“In like Flynn” once meant that you lived a charmed life of access or success. Today, it appears the media has adopted a chilling “out like Flynn” view, meaning some people simply do not deserve fair judicial or media consideration. Indeed, it is now an article of faith to dismiss any question about the conduct of the prosecutors in the Flynn case, even if it means adopting the long discredited view that only the guilty plead guilty.​

"Progressives" appropriating the label "Liberal" is one of the more effective stolen bases in US political history. In truth, there is nothing "Liberal" about these Totalitarians.

The masks have dropped from many faces in this Russia-collusion hoax. Turley’s one of the few media commentators (CBS’ on-air legal analyst) honest enough to call it out.

 

and certainly not when under duress - as has been explained to ECA numerous times.