What the nature of Trump's pardons mean

LOL. Classic conservative Paranoid Style (a subject of an important book by Richard Hofstadter in the 1960's). You people are simply downloading programs written for you long ago. You're incapable of thinking for yourselves.

 

According to your theory since the DNC has perfectly coordinated and perfected the steal along with their infiltrates and operants throughout the media, throughout the legal system, throughout the voting system obviously Conservative will never be in power ever again.

Naturally, if they do win again then your premise is false and we look saw forward to seeing you eat chow 4 or 8 years down the track. Sad that you are going to torture yourself in the meantime... But what can one do

 

What the nature of Trump's pardons mean

Yeah do explain what it means to pardon war criminals and sycophants. OTOH don't bother, the explanations are all too obvious.

 

OP, I think you are forgetting something. Pardoning Manafort and especially Stone allows them to sue the hell out of the creeps who persecuted them wrongly and maliciously, if they are swift enough, in time for Christmas or at least NYE. Have already seen Stone tweeting as such. Wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall when those are served? I sure would. Rest assured that Trump would too, and is well-aware.

 

That's not how it works. Accepting a pardon carries an imputation of guilt. They would need to prove malicious prosecution in a court of law, and if successful, then they could sue. That's not gonna happen. What may happen is they are pulled into a grand jury as witnesses, without 5th Amendment protection. It could get interesting.

 

Apparently the posters AMERICA IS DIRTY DONALD TRUMP the self worshipping and loving ego maniacal despot. He could give a damn about America and it's citizens, he is solely interested in his own adulation.

 

That would be outstanding!

 

It's looking like about seventy million voters are now convinced that the theft occurred. That's going to make for a very uncomfortable pResidency for Biden and the Dem Party's leadership. But that is not what this OP is about; it is about explaining to a certain segment of hysterical leftists terrified that Trump is going to declare martial law that their concern is unfounded.

 

I'd guess it's closer to 50M who hold that irrational belief, but that's still a lot.

I don't think he will either, but he'd probably like to.

 

Roger Stone:

"My lawyers will be filing formal complaints for prosecutorial misconduct's with DOJ office of professional responsibility at the same time I file a 25 million Dollar lawsuit against the DOJ and each of these individuals personally: In fact I am going to add [former Attorney General] Bill Barr to the lawsuit and I will handle his cross-examination personally.. [sic]," he wrote, including a meme of himself that said "suck it deep state."

My original post stands. I have no idea whether such suits would be successful and I don't like Stone, but the crystal clear point was that the pre Christmas pardon could allow Stone to send some nice Christmas Presents, which could be an alternate theory of why Trump pardoned him just before Christmas.

Nothing in the above quoted "armchair lawyering" post contradicts that.

 

That's what I said. That both suits have been filed concurrently means nothing. If he can't prove misconduct, a civil suit is going nowhere.

 

Still doesn't get the point.

 

Noting that repubs lost the popular vote in both those elections, you'd be singing a different tune if the facts were reversed.

 

Not necessarily.

Liberals will trash this nation so completely that they some republicans to blame.

They may sacrifice four years to get rid of the blame.

Some already believe thats what they did with Trump and they will get a lot of play out of him.

The media has already created the narrative that everything is Trump's fault and Biden will fix it.

When Biden fails or begins passing his own questionable measures he will just blame Trump, his media will support him, and most people will believe the lie.

The fact that the left could even turn Fox news tells you how much power they are wielding.

 

I see no evidence of Democrat Presidents having "trashed the country" in the past so I have no reason to believe that it will happen in the future. If you have a genuine metric, other than your feelings to support that notion, feel free to share it.

 

Of course you don't which means their strategy easily convinced you of that.

People who hand someone the leash are willing to be led around.

 

Nothing to support your claim? Thought so...

 

As yet, no suits have been filed, so it may be just typical bombast from Stone. I can't see how a suit can be successful given the fact that he was convicted.

 

Another poster can't seem to grasp the topic and my posts concerning it. Whether Stone's suits are successful, or whether he actually files any before Christmas or NYE is completely irrelevant to it.

 

That was my impression as well.

Trump is changing the essence of a pardon from a show of mercy to exoneration. Pardons have not, and do not exonerate someone from his crimes. Quite the opposite. Accepting a pardon carries an imputation of guilt.

Stone is well within his rights to pursue a malicious prosecution case, and if he can make money doing so (hint: he can lol), he may just try.

 

I rarely disagree with you but at least some of those pardons were given to people who were baited and entrapped, a procedure that would never stand under any other circumstances. They were victims of an Obama weaponized FBI and CIA who knew they had nothing on Trump and thought his friends might roll on him. Trump is no fool, he knows what he's up against and might never have had the chance to pardon anyone after January 20th. Already the kangaroo leftists are dreaming up ways to reverse those pardons and arrest Trump. I am more than a little shocked by the depth and breadth of the election theft and the number of people we thought were unbendable who got in bed with the Democrats, it is pure evil. I'm still hopeful, after all this is still America and I don't think there's anyone who doesn't understand the stakes. Let's face it, America got thrown into the trick bag starting with the Clintons and that has come full circle maybe there's still a chance that righteousness and justice will prevail and we can be America again.

 

We are not far at all from agreement here. Mostly I just wanted to toss a logic-wrench into the leftist generated hysteria-fest. Induce at least a few of them to actually think rather than just feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel.

 

Funny. What kind of logic-wrench tightened thought does this image invoke:

 

Of course. They have no choice. Trump's behavior since he lost has been so utterly despicable that if the election wasn't stolen, then those who voted for Trump have to admit to themselves that they voted for the most despicable, evil creature ever to lead a democratic nation. No one wants to know that they have served evil, so they refuse to know any facts that prove they did. As Trump's behavior proves that unless the election really was stolen, those who voted for him served evil, they have to refuse to know the fact that he lost fairly and legitimately. The 70M who voted for Trump have to permanently remove themselves from reality in order to preserve their self-respect: if they permitted themselves to know the truth, they would have no choice but to commit suicide en masse in shame. In that sense, Trump's behavior since he lost is like battery acid he has thrown in America's face, which he has done for the exact same reason as every other acid thrower: if he can't have her, no one will. The nation will be left permanently disfigured, ugly and repulsive, and other nations will avert their eyes to hide their revulsion.

 

There is no popular vote to lose except the 51 separate ones and Trump won 30 of them in his. And the Dems still refuse to accept they won.