What would life be like in a modern day Christian theocracy?

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  1. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    What would life be like in a modern day American Christian theocracy? I would like to hear from Christians how they would envision a America being founded as a Christian theocracy back in 1776. How much different would life in America be today? What impact would an American Christian theocracy have on the modern world? Who would be the leader? How would they be appointed? How would the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution be worded differently? Would they have ever existed? What would happen to people like me who are not Christians? Think of a hot topic and tell me how it would be handled in a Christian theocracy. Some of our forefathers came to America to escape religious intolerance... so how would a modern day Christian theocracy avoid that same pitfall?

    Feel free to add to the list of questions as this is a hypothetical scenario there are many different aspects to examine.

    On a side note when was the last Christian theocracy (not counting Vatican City)? The Church of England of the 16th century headed by the King Henry VIII?
     
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    Atheists and homosexuals would be forced to conform and convert or either be exiled or shot.

    Not joking.
     
  3. ronmatt

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    Sorta like those Islamic Theocracies liberals are so enamored with huh?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    republicans are just jealous of them, they want the same thing here in America
     
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    Sounds like you hang out with a perverted gang of "liberals". ;)
     
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    Here's what a Christian society would look like: a libertarian party on the right contending with a populist party on the left that was focused on helping out working folk rather than transgender activism.

    Christians have been leaders in the promotion of liberty.

    Check out the website: A History of Liberty
     
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    Christians have opposed gladitorial combat: Telemachus: The Monk Who Ended the Coliseum Games

    fought slavery: The Truth About the Catholic Church and Slavery

    The Abolitionists
    Despised and often attacked, they courageously carried the slaves' cause for thirty years. Why have these inescapably Christian men and women been forgotten?

    William Wilberforce

    demanded rights for Native Americans: Theodore Frelinghuysen

    fought discrimination: Southern Christian Leadership Conference

    supported rights for women: Woman's Christian Temperance Union

    called for peace during World War I: Pope Benedict XV's Peace Note of 1 August 1917

    combated the Nazis: Christian Opposition to Nazi Anti-Semitism

    combated Communism: Emotional Walesa Thanks Pope For His Support Of Solidarity

    Remembering Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

    fought for human rights in East Timor: 2 accept Nobel Peace Prize for East Timor work

    called for peace in the Mideast: Time to move on Mideast peace
    Desmond Tutu and Jimmy Carter reflect on the stalled efforts to achieve peace in the Middle East in USA Today.

    opposed infanticide/abortion: Priests for Life
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The render unto Caesar business, if interpreted broadly enough can be seen as supporting religious freedom, and there is a general feeling in most Christian Sects that being good should be an act of Free Will and not coerced. So it's possible that they might support Religious and even moral freedom more strongly than we do, as tenets of Christianity. The niggling bs, like the 10 commandments in courts and Christmas creches on public land wouldn't even be discussed, BUT we might have legalized prostitution and recognition of gay marriage because they would take the idea that religion shouldn't influence laws seriously, and leave such things to people's own morals

    OTOH I think The Handmaiden's Tale, or worse, is much more likely. Americans do so dearly love to hurt their fellows, for any reason.
     
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    Which sect??? Christians have 1400 differences of opinion.

    A Christian theocracy would be perfectly HORRIBLE.
     
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    Women would be property.
     
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    Actually if you read that whole story the verse is based on. you'd see that Jesus was actually being very sarcastic with the Pharisees. They were trying to put him down because he criticized Ceasar for making malevolent fun of a poor man who had entered their fancy dinner.
     
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    Actually in an atheist atheocracy homosexuals were persecuted.

    Homosexuals in Castro's Cuba were imprisoned without charge or trial!

    Not joking.
     
  15. Tram Law

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    neither Stalin nor Hitler were atheist.


    Stop demonizing more than a billion people world wide on the actions of a few asshats.
     
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    A Christian society would mean less subservience to gay activists and freedom for those who prefer not to celebrate the LGBT lifestyle (which is after all associated with deadly diseases and pederasty).

    Colorado baker faces year in jail for refusing to make cake for gay wedding

    More tolerance from gay activists: ‘Stupid Bible-Thumping…B**ch’: Bakery That Refused to Make Gay Couple’s Wedding Cake Speaks Out Amid Threats, Economic Woes

    New Mexico Court: Christian Photographer Cannot Refuse Gay-Marriage Ceremony

    Defending Religious Liberty in America

    Here's Camille Paglia discussing gay activists: “To express yourself in a magazine in an interview — this is the level of punitive PC, utterly fascist, utterly Stalinist, OK, that my liberal colleagues in the Democratic Party and on college campuses have supported and promoted over the last several decades,”

    “This is the whole legacy of free speech 1960’s that have been lost by my own party.”

    “I think that this intolerance by gay activists toward the full spectrum of human beliefs is a sign of immaturity, juvenility,”

    Here's Andrew Sullivan: “The guy who had the gall to to express his First Amendment rights and favor Prop 8 in California by donating $1,000 has just been scalped by some gay activists,”

    “Will he now be forced to walk through the streets in shame?” “Why not the stocks? The whole episode disgusts me — as it should disgust anyone interested in a tolerant and diverse society.”

    “If this is the gay rights movement today — hounding our opponents with a fanaticism more like the religious right than anyone else — then count me out,”

    “If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us.”
     
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    And that would be no different if christians ruled
    Not joking.
     
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    Why do you say Stalin was not an atheist?! Hitler may or may not have been an atheist, but he certainly hated and persecuted Christians.

    Actually atheists are about 2% worldwide.

    Do you ever demonize Christians?
     
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    Only when I'm being facetious and frustrated at another person. Otherwise I try not to. If that was about my assertion, it was not a generalization. There have been a number of documented incidents that has lead me to believe so. These two groups of people are heavily discriminated in Christian society.

    Hitler considered himself a Catholic who was doing God's work. You might want to read Mein Kampf. Jr lsyd it all out there.

    Stalin was raised a Gregorian Orthodox Christian.
     
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    No. Hitler hated Christianity and persecuted the Churches.

    You Mean Hitler Wasn’t A Priest?

    quote: Hitler was blunter still on other occasions. "It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity," he said in 1933, "because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood." His countrymen would have to choose: "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both."

    quote: Polish Christians felt the full force of the persecution, as historian John Morley reminds us. "In Poland, both Jews and Christians were objects of Nazi oppression and manipulation." The clergy were a chief target: "In West Prussia, out of 690 parish priests, at least two-thirds were arrested, and the remainder escaped only by fleeing from their parishes. After a month's imprisonment, no less than 214 of these priests were executed... by the end of 1940 only twenty priests were left in their parishes — about three percent of the number of parish priests in the pre-war era." The toll of murdered Polish priests would rise into the thousands; their Protestant counterparts (though a much smaller group) fared no better, with many members of the clergy perishing in the camps.
    The Rutgers site's presentation is entitled "The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches," and it notes a deep hatred of Christianity throughout the higher echelons. "Important leaders of the National Socialist party would have liked to meet this situation [church influence] by complete extirpation of Christianity and the substitution of a purely racial religion." Their assault was massive: "Different steps in that persecution, such as the campaign for the suppression of denominational and youth organizations, the campaign against denominational schools, the defamation campaign against the clergy, started on the same day in the whole area of the Reich... and were supported by the entire regimented press, by Nazi Party meetings, by traveling party speakers."

    Some more Hitler quotes:

    Goebbels' diary, 1939: "The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay."

    Speer quoting Hitler: “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

    Historian Alan Bullock quoting Hitler: "I'll make these d**ned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible.... This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews." and "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity.... The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity."

    Really silly Tram Law. Admit your error. Stalin converted to atheism.

    USSR anti-religious campaign (1928–41)
     
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    saying all atheists are a like would be like says all theists were alike
     
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    :) Overpopulation would end it quickly, there's only so much room, so much water, so much food, so many jobs...instant Third World status :)
     
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    I do not see how Christians would even be able to agree on which denomination to follow... other than making Christianity as vanilla as possible I just do not see how a Christian theocracy would work.
     
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    If you "cherry pick" your Christians.....but all the Southern slave-owners and the guys who pushed Jim Crow and even the Klan.....also said they were Christians.
     
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    That's a given.

    It is a fundamental (no pun) element of fundamentalist Abrahamic religions (Christian, Jewish, Muslim) to be patriarchy who subjugates or oppresses women.

    The Victorian Era, perhaps the closest the West has come to it, was all about controlling the political and economic power of women, as well as controlling their sexuality. (All the brothels in towns in the late 1800s were clear proof the men in those towns weren't concerned with "Jack having some fun"....while they were making sure "Sally was pure until marriage or she got ostracized")

    I suppose the most dystopian view of an American Christian theocracy was portrayed in Margaret Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale". As with most dictatorships of course those with wealth and power would be "above" the strict morality enforced.....your James Dobsons, Gary Bauers, Ralph Reeds would all have their secret "Hellfire Clubs" with orgies, likely both straight and gay....while naturally a Righteousness Police busted teenagers from holding hands in public.

    Fortunately barring a Weimar Republic situation or economic or military disaster, Americans tend to reject their Puritans or it atleast collapses.
     

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