What's More Important...Ukraine or America's National Sovereignty?

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  1. Libhater

    Libhater Well-Known Member

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    Nancy Pelosi wants to pass The Ukraine Sovereignty Act in defense of of the Ukrainian people against a possible/probable Russian invasion.

    Biden's Deputy National Security advisor Johnathan Finer says undocumented Ukrainians should be respected.

    Kamala Harris also chimed in by saying we should respect the national sovereignty of Ukraine. This is the woman appointed czar for our own southern border who could give a rat's arse about our own sovereignty with her and biden's open door policy to allow record breaking criminals to run free throughout the U.S., and by allowing deadly fentanyl et al to kill some 100,000 young Americans.

    Now we see where the Pentagon is ready to deploy some 8,500 if not more troops to Ukraine, but has sent....get this..000 troops to protect our own southern border.

    I suggest anyone here concerned about the sovereignty of America should listen to Tucker Carlson's opening from last night's show as he goes into detail by exposing the hypocrisy and downright seditious act(s) being perpetuated on the American people. The first 10 minutes of Tucker's opening will have you wondering if we're not already headed into a label as being a 3rd world nation under this current feckless leadership. Remember Gavin Newsome saying "We look like a third world nation"...well, buckle up for you may be right for the first time in your life.

     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No one in our govt actually cares about the territorial integrity of Ukraine. This is about having a big war with Russia and nothing else. The neocons need America at war.

    All we're really doing with this BS is driving Russia and China into eachothers arms.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    First, listening to Tucker Carlson is like..........let's just say, it's not good for ones mental health.
    Second, to prove point #1 his rant should be the definition of apples and oranges. Let's take our border that Fox is running around like Chicken LIttle. How many people are ACTUALLY getting in and staying here. Oh sure, you can get numbers of how many are MET at the border but that has nothing to do with how many get in. Most of those instances are at regular border crossings. You know where you drive up or walk up. The main difference is that what is apparantly, to Carlson, an invading army, is people coming to live and work here.
    Russia has an army waiting to invade another country. You know, tanks and soldiers and lots of bad stuff.
    You think they are the same thing!!!
    You're listening to a guy worried about M&M's for god's sake
     
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    Which "neocons" are in the Biden Administration?
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    Why ask me, I didn't post anything about "neocons"
     
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    Where is Pentagon sending 8500 troops to Ukraine?

    Links/sources?

    I didn't see anything about deployments to Ukraine....East Europe Nato states probably more like.
     
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    "As many as 8,500 US troops have been put on heightened alert for a possible deployment to Eastern Europe as Russian troops mass on Ukraine's border, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said Monday."
    Ukraine: US places up to 8,500 troops on alert for possible deployment to Eastern Europe amid Russia tensions - CNNPolitics
     
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    I agree with them trying to protect Ukraine however I see the hypocrisy that he’s pointing out
     
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    The Vice President is a loyal soldier. Biden sets policy.
    We have enough personnel to do both. Anyway, we're not sending troops to the Ukraine.
    Tucker Carlson was the dumb kid who always got his butt kicked. He's been trying to act like a tough guy ever since.
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    So Russia annexes Ukraine. How does that change my life? The attack on Pearl Harbor changed my life and we had to declare war on Japan. But there are many war mongers throughout the world's history and in today's politics. Has anyone asked Putin why he is putting such military near the Ukraine border? Has anyone asked a politician in Washington to explain how Ukraine is in the USA's interest? Remember Viet Nam and Afghanistan -- I remember each and how we failed yet my life didn't change. But a lot of innocent people came home without legs and arms. Muhammed Ali got it right when he refused to be drafted and said, "I got nothing against those Cong". I say all this as a veteran of the U.S. Navy Submarine Service.
     
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    How does aiding the Ukraine make the hurt US sovereignty as the thread title infer?
     
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    There is no right answer to all this. There is not even a less bad answer. Putin is likely going to annex all or part of the Ukraine and there is not a thing we can do about it. We can inflict punishing sanctions, but if Russia allies with China, the sanctions will be less punishing because Russia will have a new trading partner.

    The single biggest mistake was allowing that natural gas pipeline from Russia to Germany to be constructed.

    This is a disaster in the making and about all we can do is stand back and watch it happen.
     
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    It was none of our business!!! Besides how could we have prevented it? Suppose Russia, China, Mexico or Germany had opposed our interstate system? How would you feel about that?
     
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    But it is our business because it threatens NATO. We should have put more pressure on Germany through NATO to stop it.
     
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    NATO is a joke. They take our money but run for the tall grass when trouble starts. They talk big but carry a soft stick. Uncle Sam gets sucked in again.
     
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    Don't disagree. We have paid too much for not much of anything.
     
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    Have you not been following the Biden administration or the Democrat party? Ukraine of course!
     
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    And what exactly is the UN doing? Right -- nothing!!! Leave everything to the USA. This time I hope we just ignore any war in Europe. Now that might get me to vote for Biden.
     
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    LOL! I know this would be Tucker parroting before I even clicked on the thread. SOO predictable.

    If Trump were still in power, Tucker would sing the exact opposite tune.
     
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