What's so great about Diversity?

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  1. Green Man

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    I see a lot of the news media these days talking about diversity. Something that never seems to be discussed are the benefits of diversity. What are these benefits, and are they worth the cost in your opinion?
     
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    What do you believe are the costs of diversity?
     
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    Well unity, for one.

    Consider diversity in values. In a multicultural society such as ours various cultures will have conflicting values.

    If we all had the same core values sure we might lose some cultural diversity. But we would gain unity. You know what they say, E Pluribus Unum. That's Latin for E Pluribus. Unum.
     
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    Unity exists if you are willing to accept others.
     
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    Accept them how?
     
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    As they are.
     
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    Like how Muslims accept Roman Catholics?

    Or how people who believe in the right to life accept murders?

    We should not tolerate some things much less accept them.

    Now back on topic. What are the benefits of diversity?
     
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    If you get everyone who looks, acts and thinks the same, then you get into group think. Diversity is what makes this country the greatest country on earth, E Plubius Unum, out of many, one. Out of many is simply a euphemism of diversity within our official motto.

    If you want to look at the workplace, below are 10 benefits:
    1. Diversity creates innovation
    2. Diverse leadership expands the customer base
    3. Diverse Teams get better answers
    4. Diverse project teams collaborate more effectively
    5. Diversity improves team performance
    6. Diverse teams make better decisions
    7. Diverse leaders fuel productivity
    8. Diversity and inclusion cuts down turnover, assuming everything else being equal
    9. Diverse organizations attract new talent
    10. Diversity produces more profitability, assuming everything else being equal.
    https://www.globesmart.com/blog/the-ten-big-benefits-of-diversity-in-the-workplace/
    https://diversity.social/why-is-diversity-important/
     
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    There are plenty of Muslims who interact with Catholics. What you are getting confused about is a person's own religious faith. There is a Muslim Chuch just 500 feet away from a Christian Eastern Orthodox Church in my city. Both the Inman of that mosque and the senior pastor eat lunch about once a month. But ironically, the most divided day in our country is Sunday, the day Christians have their day of rest. Christians rarely interact with other Christian sects, and some Churches will actually teach that their profession of faith is actually better than other Christian professions of faith, including Catholicism.

    For you personally, you are free to accept or not certain things. You can reject people with an age difference of 20 years getting married, or people of different ethnicities/races getting married, or whatever, but the moment you want to try and impose your "moral beliefs" onto others is where I step in and will criticize your judgmentalism heavily for that effort.
     
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    Nothing wrong with diversity that occurs when people of similar capacities or interests or skill congregate. When "diversity" is driven by ratios, or numbers, or race, sex, sexual preference, Etc then it's counterproductive if not destructive.
     
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    What makes you think diversity won't work based on different skills or similar skills?
     
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    Diversity is the ultimate reason for the political polarization that has made it difficult for the U.S. government to solve problems that would have been manageable before 1964.
     
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    Diversity that is achieved by lowering standards for low performance demographics cannot possibly be beneficial
     
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    This can only be true if there is no diversity in merit, qualifications, and excellence.
     
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    that is not what diversity means. When it comes to a job, you have to have the ability to interact with other people who may think differently than you do. And with project teams, where you have a group of people each with a different specialty for that project to be developed, the "lowering of standards" is not the issue. this is really archaic thinking.
     
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    diversity is not based on merit. Other factors yes, but not merit.
     
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    Biden's picks for VP and the supreme court as evidence of that
     
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    No it is not. I think you forget what Scalia said about Supreme Court Justices whom he said all who sit on the bench are qualified. They have various points of view, has cultivated that point of jurist view over decades of experience in Constitutional law, but meet the qualifications. And remember, the ABA rarely, very rarely gives bad reviews to supreme court justices or any justice.
     
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    it's like saying a guy who is on his college track team is qualified to represent the USA in the Olympic games. a 49 second 400 meter runner is qualified to run that event. but someone with that time is no where near one of the two or three fastest quarter milers in the USA and thus is not qualified to be on our Olympic;ic team.

    I worked with dozens of attorneys and attended school with dozens of attorneys who have better credentials than Biden's pick.
     
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    For the 400 meter sprint, that would depend on which level. The 49 second time frame is standard for NCAA athletics, all of athletics in the category. You need to add context to your post. I will take football, American football. We have some 400k kds playing football in High School. the next 10000 or so go ont to play college from the University of Alabama to a Divsiion III NCAA School like Trinity University in San Antonio, or even a NAIA athletic school. Of the 10000 that graduate college and are eligible for the NFL draft, some 270 or so are selected and five times that amount are undrafted free agents who will work their butt off but will mostly, with the exception of a few, be cut from the team before the season starts. It is the same of with the Olympic Team, and you have to be your very best on that day. If you are sick, have an accident, someone attacks you, or whatever, and you cannot perform, you can't qualify per the rules. And that has happened to quite a few athletes who were good one day but failed the next.

    With Supreme Court Justices, their qualifications are there. The ABA views them, interviews them on the law, and gives them a grade as to Hightly Qualified, Qualified, and not qualified. Only a few have ever been identified as not qualified. For the Vice president, the ony two qualifications is age and US Citizenship who is naturally born. That's it. Nothing else matters except to what the voters choose.
     
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    I'm not even sure what diversity is anymore. If a room of 100 people are all African, is that diversity?
     
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    What makes you think all Africans are the same in culture? Africa is mostly comprised of tribes, with each tribe having their own unique culture, food, and language. We artificially created nations, mostly due to one Winston Churchill after WW1. And that was for colonial rule as reward for winning WW1
     
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    I had anticipated this response when I was writing it but thought I'd keep it simple. Okay, a room with 100 Tutsi cousins.
     
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    How exactly is diversity determined Alwayssa?

    Can you measure diversity and can the effect of more diversity, such as the media proclaims to be good, be quantified?
     
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    What makes you think all the cousins will act the same as Tulsi Gabbard? Tulsi is of Samoan and European ancestry, so her cousins could be Somoman, European, or whatever. Her religion is Hindu I believe and even that can vary depending on what sect of Hindu you are referring to.
     

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