When Did Conservatives Surrender the GOP to Trumpery?

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  1. Pycckia

    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    Really? I thought it was smuggling drugs into the US and torturing Muslims. That is when they are not spying on US citizens.
     
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    Think it through. If we don't lead, who will step in? If we don't provide the markets, who will?
     
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    I know what he wants and their mission is to work for all Americans, not just those who voted for Trump. Nobody wants to nullify any election, except in your mind.
     
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    I'm not worried about the Republican Party, I gave up on both way back in 1992. Far as I'm concerned both belong on the trash heap of history. No doubt Hillary received more popular votes than Trump. That was probably due to the Democratic Party being the larger of the two parties. However, among independents, those non or less partisan than the two major parties, Trump won them 46-42 with 12% voting third party.

    When both parties nominate candidates that a majority of Americans didn't want as their next president, stuff happens. 25% of all Americans wanted neither Trump nor Clinton to become their next president. 58% counting the 25% who wanted neither, didn't want Hillary to become president. 60%, counting those same 25% who didn't want neither, didn't want Trump to become the next president.

    Perhaps the problem isn't who won or lost or even why. Perhaps the problem is how did these two dregs from the bottom of the barrel receive their party's nomination in the first place? Perhaps the answer is that Republicans only care about Republicans, Democrats only about democrats and neither giving an iota of a dang about America as a whole.

    Biased, sure am. I detested the prospect of either Trump or Hillary becoming president and did my utmost to prevent either one becoming so. I failed. As I stated before, 2016 was a good news, bad news election. The good news, Clinton lost. The bad news Trump won. I still feel that way.
     
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    Maybe nobody. I don't think leadership is worth it if we have to bribe countries to be our friends.
     
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    The media wants you to think trump would not be president if not for russia

    And that is complete nonsense

    Russia, russia, russia is just a distraction from the more important issues trump is dealing with
     
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    Of course the left wants to nullify the election of trump and so do the Deep State swamp rats
     
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    Kind of of funny watching you pissing yourself, please continue and prog away......
     
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    They still aren't completely on board.

    To answer your question: Republicans softened their anti-Trump stance, as soon as Paul Ryan's tax cut plan was passed, and Neil Gorsuch was nominated.
     
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    They were driven to the point of utter frustration by the left. Trump is a reactionary choice that was kind of the logical next step. For 8 years the forces of liberal progressiveness have been quickly changing society. Progressive victories have been profound and our culture is changing and moving left. But to the stronger and faster the change the stronger the reaction to that change. Cultural change is on a pendulum going back and forth while trying to find a equilibrium. The left pushed to hard to fast and now the right is unthinkingly pushing back.

    Unfortunately it is us in the middle that actually suffers.
     
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    The intelligence community and the media are not America. They havn't even been with America for a long time.
     
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    Larger than Leftists, that is for sure.

    I can't stand the Republican party, but at least it is better than the pure hatred I have for the Democrats. Democrats not allowing judge to go through because of her religion is EXACTLY the type of doublespeak that makes me hate them.

    Inclusive my rear end
     
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    I'm a pragmatist, and accepted that Clinton and Trump were the only realistic possibilities, and concluded that, as undesirable as I regarded Clinton, I preferred the stability she offered to the nation.

     
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    what facts sre you damning? The witch hunt has yet to provide one.
     
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    Pricing will be curtailed by all the illegals you guys want working for $2/hr. Not to mention, if you have more people working in the US, that means the cost of supply goes down. But hey, if you think prices of goods goes up because people are working, then you may want to talk to people in the "big 3" auto industry that have been bailed out after failing to turn a profit. Sorry, but if no one is buying crap, the cost of the crap goes down till the market deems it worth buying. This is economics 101. The market sets the price, not the retailer.
     
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    And until he ran for office, he was a democrat because that was best for his business.
     
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    High costs of labor brought on by labor unions. The people will take auto manufacturing jobs for less than $45/hr, look at the non union auto makers in America like Honda and Kia who pay assemblers $25/hr. Better quality and reliability than the over priced "American" made crap.
     
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    "Trumpery" is temporary. Republicans like having Trump wrestle in the dirt with libs. The left has always had its slime, like Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle, and Harry Reid. It's good the Republicans finally found someone who doesn't take their sh-t.

    But it won't last long. The Republicans will go back to being meek like they were before Trump.
     
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    It will not be easy, but American will recover.

     
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    I agree. Trump is temporary. It won't be long before America reverts to its steady decline.
     
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    That's as good a reason for voting for Hillary as I heard to date. Perhaps more stability abroad, but I don't think so at home or on the home front. Whereas today quite a lot of folks are divided into camps, pro-Trump, Anti-Trump. The same would have happened had Hillary won, only you would have pro-Hillary and anti-Hillary camps. Being 60% of Americans didn't want her like they didn't want Trump, her job approval would be around where Trump's is today, low 40's.

    Investigations, with the Republicans in charge of congress, congressional investigations into the E-mails again, into Benghazi again, into the Clinton Foundation, perhaps even going back to try to get Bill for his bimbo eruptions. I hate the atmosphere in Washington these days. Everything is too polarized, way too partisan. Perhaps it the leadership both parties have chosen. That polarization wasn't there with Lott and Daschle or Mitchell and Dole in charge of the senate. The House seemed a lot more calmer under O'Neal, Foley, Gepthardt and even Gingrich. Hastert in my opinion started the super partisanship in the House which those to follow picked up and ran with it.

    All I know for sure is this current situation sucks.
     
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    Simple answer to the OP question is: When the Democrats selected a known criminal, Hillary Clinton as their presidential candidate, and NONE of the GOP candidates except for Trump had any real criticism or for that matter any really inspiring message. Only TRUMP had an idea: Lets Make America Great Again. The other NeoCons like Jeb Bush 2%, Lindsey Graham 1%, all loser GOP establishment without any real inspiring ideas.

    Trump movement is a revolt against the Clinton/Democrat machine, which many perceive as intertwined with the GOP and deep state establishment. The Trump "revolt" is against not only the Socialist Left, but the NeoCon element of the GOP. In effect, Trump is actually a 3rd party "Maverick" who ran within the GOP because that's the only way a 3rd party independent could ever be elected.
     
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    The swamp rats were a part of his administration.
     
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    The cost can go down just so much before the company either moves to another country or closes its doors. More people working does not mean that the cost of supply goes down. If anything the cost of the supply goes up because the payroll goes up. Where did you get that idea? You don't know much about economics 101, my friend. Which of the big 3 was bailed out?
     
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    I believe that 33 people have been indited. The investigation will provide plenty. Be patient. The Bill Clinton investigation took several years.
     

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