When Did We Surrender ?

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  1. Pycckia

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    It is the fate of all great powers to decline. Gain an empire and get rich. Get rich and get fat and lazy. Get fat and lazy and lose an empire.
     
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    Several compelling cases can be made for identifying when we lost our country:

    1. 1914, when liberal Democrats under Woody Wilson created the Federal Reserve System, which took real power and control over our economy away from the free-market enterprise system and put it into the hands of a clot of 'insider' private bankers... where it has remained ever since....

    2. The 1930's, when liberal Democrats set up the foundations of a Welfare State which has endured to this day.

    3. The 1960's, when liberal Democrats further expanded FDR's Welfare State, and, embroiled the country in an utterly fraudulent, senseless war in Vietnam which made a large percentage of Americans fundamentally distrust and hate our government. That sense of belief and trust in government by Americans was never fully restored after Vietnam....

    4. March 23, 2010, when liberal Democrat, Barack Obama signs into law a MANDATORY 'healthcare' system that forces every American citizen to buy into a government-mandated or government-allowed health insurance program OR be forced to pay a "penalty". Nowhere in the Constitution of the United States is there any justification whatsoever to force anyone to buy anything just for being alive!
     
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  3. Guess Who

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    So true! I think 'not sure' it was C.S.Lewis who said something like this years ago. Don't know alot about Lewis but that .
    Either way it is so true. Rome fell fro the exact same reason's. One also being over extended into foreign wars and policing teh world.
     
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    And don't forget the 1965 Ted Kennedy seditious fiasco of dry foot,family reunification act that flooded our borders with non assimilating illegals. Then Reagan gave millions more amnesty.
    But your correct that is basically all began with the foreign private banksters taking over our gold through ursury, 'spell'.
     
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    You might want to go back a little farther in your research. The 19th century was ripe with anti-sodomy laws, anti-adultery laws, anti-blasphemy laws and just weird laws forbidding very specific actions.
     
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    What do you base this remark off of? That the majority will say 2 years? Im curious. Please provide links or some form of evidence about this statement.

    Oh. You have none? So your just making sh1t up to fit your narrative? Okay. Thats what I thought.
     
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    It's simple. You must first be able to understand math. If the people who vote for trump are a minority that means the MAJORITY of Americans didn't. We're waiting for him to either be impeached or out voted.
     
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    Be careful what you wish fro you might just get it.
    "Liberalism in a mental disorder" M.savage


    And libs prove it more each day. Can't wait to flood the last refuge of civilization with third worlders. Sadly once they get their death wish of poverty and disease it will be too late.
     
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    Yes there is right and wrong but as far as our country goes and it's direction there is only opinions as to right or wrong. Is it right or wrong for the government to force adults to wear seatbelts in vehicles, there are opinions on both sides, no right or wrong merely opinions.
     
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    I agree except that what America has embarked upon is a bit more than simply just an 'adjustment', it's a major 'overhaul', to be followed up by a 'reset'.....
     
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    If you could please expand on the term 'morals', that would be a big help. A dictionary definition provides text about right vs. wrong, and right conduct. But as I see it, 'right' has become very subjective. So in the context of your post, I would say we surrendered when we made 'right' subjective.
     
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    When Did We Surrender ?
    I'm not sure I agree with your term "surrender." But I agree America has become increasingly polarized and separated from one another for some time. I believe it began with the hostile & divisional theme from Newt Gingrinch during his Speaker of the House tenure. The divisiveness never relented after him, and became much worse in 2010 with the Tea Party antics, from which we've never recovered. Gingrinch, the Tea Party, and Trump and his minions have all stood for constant, unrelenting, uncompromising obstructionism. And over the years they have all led conservatives and conservatism further and further to the extreme right. America has been a success story because it always had the ability to find common ground and compromise. The one time it lost that ability, we had the deadliest war in our history--the Civil War. Today we seem to be repeating the failures of the 1850s, which led to that war. As an American, I want us to remember how to work together in harmony. I want us to be a great nation again. I want us to be a United people again. We can't do that if both sides, or one side alone, continues to reject civility & compromise. Those who do that are destroying this nation, and doing so without a thought to what might replace it.
     
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    …….THIS.....
     
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    This what?
     
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    That is a way of saying I agree and the commentary was well done.
     
  16. Smartmouthwoman

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    The commentary was so much emotional hogwash, it doesn't deserve a reply, much less accolades from the herd.
     
  17. Smartmouthwoman

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    Thought provoking discussion until TDS reared its whiney head.

    Agree America started down the slippery slope to socialism decades ago, but the slide was greased in 2008 with the election of George Soros' Barack Obama. Fortunately, Obama was too inept to permanently screw up more than our healthcare system ( as if thats not enough), so their plan failed.

    Those of us who oppose socialism elected outsider Donald Trump and the Obamabots lost their minds.

    Recent elections prove theyre not dead yet... succeeded in putting both socialists and radical muslims into office.

    The real question is how long will it take them to finish us off if we give up the fight? I'd guess one election cycle.
     
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    I think YOU speak for the "radicals." Pure capitalism has no heart. Socialism is capitalism with a heart. Socialism is the best economic system devised by the human mind. Democratic Socialism is the best political system devised by mankind. You're defending the indefensible. Trump has no morals, and is ignorant of ethics. He is the ultimate "every man for himself" kind of guy. He demands loyalty from others, but gives none in return, to anyone. Trump & his supporters want a selfish, self-serving America. They don't care about anyone else, friend or foe. I don't want that America. I know a third of all Americans do. But I'm not one of them. The sooner Trump gets relegated to the trash heap of history, where he so clearly belongs, the better.
     
  19. Smartmouthwoman

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    Sorry, Im just not emotional enough to follow your train of thought. You lost me @ only communism has heart.

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    I never mentioned communism in my post. In practice, Communism is a form of economic & political tyranny. Your post is totally wrong.
     
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    Thus you are free to not reply, but I am also free to reply.....we call it having an opinion.
     
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    From a speech made in 1985...

    DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA

    We know Dick Lamm as Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington , DC , filled to capacity by many of America 's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, 'Mexifornia,' explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California . He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

    Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America .

    The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States . He said, 'If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America . It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'

    'Here is how they do it,' Lamm said:

    'First, to destroy America , turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country... History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada , Belgium , Malaysia , and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, Corsicans and Muslims.'

    Lamm went on:

    'Second, to destroy America , invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

    'Third, we could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec ' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricy and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.' Lamm said, 'I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.'

    'Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, un-assimilated, under-educated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.'

    'My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology...' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority.'

    'My sixth plan for America 's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precept. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia , threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. 'E. Pluribus Unum' -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will 'Balkanize' America as surely as Kosovo.'

    'Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits. Make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bi-cultural country, having established multi-culturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them.'

    In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said, 'Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book 'Mexifornia.' His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America . If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book.

    There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America Take note of California and other states. To date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book '1984.' In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: 'War is peace,' 'Freedom is slavery,' and 'Ignorance is strength'

    Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.


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    Its working, libs. You must be so proud. :(
     
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    In short:

    Diversity causes divisiveness.
     
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    Our nation can survive its ambitious and it's fools but it cannot survive democrats tearing it down from within.
     
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