How exactly is changing a law forcing someone to do something? It’s not force, their is a still a choice and that choice has consequences, similar to the choice to have sex. If you don’t like the consequences don’t CHOOSE (see caps cause you love emphasis) to participate in the act.
I'm saying they do NOT HAVE to give up sex....show the LAW that says they have to give up sex....where is it? YOU don't make the laws....did you think you did!! What!! NO one is under any obligation to use birth control...WHY should they if they don't want to??? I know misery loves company but again NO one has to give up sex to make you happy Ya know, we 've already had this conversation where you insist humans quit having sex so you can live in some unreal Utopia...like a kid who wants desperately for Santa to be real. WHY do you insist humans not have sex? What is it? It's so absurd that you must have some horrible experience that left you wanting the world to stop having sex, a NORMAL FUN HEALTHY THING that NORMAL humans do... AND left you with the inability to accept the fact that humans are not going to quit having sex to please you...or for any other reason.
This poster has many times, with varying wording, posted people should just stop having sex. """crank said: ↑ Adults WHO DON'T WANT CHILDREN but who can't control themselves sufficiently to either employ contraceptives or say no, certainly are."""""""
Actually a little later. She was still an abstraction that confused and scared me a bit albeit one with a heartbeat and the capacity to make my wife's stomach move. I did not know my daughter so she stayed a strange but welcome change in my life, until she began to really respond to me and my presence. I took 'paternity leave' a few months after my wife finished her leave, so that I could get to know her without Mom. By the time that was over, I loved my daughter.
Nothing brings out the arrogance of a person, like an abortion debate. To all of you trying to speak to this issue, unless you have dealt with it , you have no idea the complications this predicament can produce. I am likely a 'Dad' to one of these kids. My ex-wife went through this ordeal with me at her side. We continue to co- parent and dearly love a 17 year old boy that is likely the result of an attack and the PTSD still stands in the way of real truth and complete healing. I can think of no issue about which humility is a more important, than any 'knowledgable discussion' between pro-lifers and pro-choicers than this topic. People should tread very carefully here.
I guess it's different for different people. I've heard of soldiers in WWII speaking of their love for children they've only been told about in hand written letters.
Yeah I have often thought the word love gets stretched to mean just about any feeling of longing or happiness induced by a brain wave and some emotional attachment to its predecessor. We are way too liberal in how we apply the word. I think we need a couple of new words for different concepts at odds here. People say they 'love' a lot of people they have never met, let alone know. I have colleagues at work throwing that word around a lot among each other, and neighbors too. I prefer a narrower definition. Once upon a time we wrote letters and cards and signed them 'sincerely' instead of 'love' Those days are gone.
The most narrow definition fits my love for my child at that moment. Perhaps it was, and still is, in part, an instinctive trait for parents to love their children (and grandchildren). Maybe that's why so many women's lives are so adversely affected by having abortions.
Every parent has dealt with it. Most deal with it responsibility. Everyone has a right to speak to every issues, and everyone should speak with compassion for all.
You must be misunderstanding.1. Whether one speaks to an issue, and how are different questions. 2. How many parents have had to deal with the choices involved with bringing a potential rapists offspring to term? 3. Who the hell are you, to decide what 'responsible' is or is not? There's that arrogance again, whatever you dress it up as.
Most women feel relief after an abortion. Many women's lives are adversely affected by having children. Either way it is THEIR life and no one else's to control or determine....or judge.
Correct. Chances are probably against me being the parent secondary to surgery, but I chose not to get the test done. We co-parent and I pay child support.
Please share a link to "Most Women" I've met a lot of women that regretted killing their children. How many women have you met that regretted allowing their children to live?
FoxHastings said: ↑ Most women feel relief after an abortion. Many women's lives are adversely affected by having children. Either way it is THEIR life and no one else's to control or determine....or judge. You first, you claimed that """"MAGA said: ↑ Maybe that's why so many women's lives are so adversely affected by having abortions."""" Irrelevant. And I doubt you met women who admitted to murder. None. Why would women admit to wanting to kill their children? That's irrelevant to the abortion issue anyway. What ANY woman feels has NOTHING to do with women's right to their own body.
Warning - Graphic description of late term abortions! Previously, in response to a poster that falsely claimed abortions were painless, I posted a picture of a late-term aborted child that had been torn limb from limb. That picture was removed because it was too graphic. At any rate, this person describes how he personally performed abortions. If you don't want to hear just how terrible an abortion can be, you probably shouldn't watch this clip
So what if it was torn apart? It may have saved the woman's life and you still have NO proof it felt pain.
I didn't say many women being adversely affected gave them squat. I was pointing out that there are 2 victims in an abortion. I volunteered for a few years at a drug/alcohol rehab center. I met women that became addicts in part due to self-medication to relive themselves of guilt of having one, or sometimes several abortions. I have heard just a few women, maybe 3 or 4, say that they murdered their children. The others felt guilt but didn't call it murder. At least not out loud. Years after their abortions some women wonder if their child would have been a boy or a girl. What would they look like? They imagine dropping them off to kindergarten, or school. They think of their children dating, falling in love, getting married, and having children of their own... No, you miss the point again. There child's life is not their life.
No, you did not, not in any post of yours I quoted... Personal anecdotes, even if true, are proof of nothing. Again, what one woman feels does NOT determine the rights of others...
FoxHastings said: ↑ So what if it was torn apart? It may have saved the woman's life and you still have NO proof it felt pain. I didn't say it was "lovely" I said, """So what if it was torn apart? It may have saved the woman's life and you still have NO proof it felt pain.""
Have you ever held a baby? Have you ever seen anyone else hold a baby? Did you think they just started feeling pain when their umbilical cord was cut? Science much?
FoxHastings said: ↑ No, you did not, not in any post of yours I quoted... Personal anecdotes, even if true, are proof of nothing. Again, what one woman feels does NOT determine the rights of others... WHO said it did??? Where did I EVER say a child wasn't human? NO WHERE. What you or anyone else feels has NOTHING to do with women's right to their own bodies...
