'When I Think of Donald Trump, I Do Think of Lincoln and Reagan'

You cherry pick his words. Slavery ended and so did the Southern form of aristocracy. Live with it.

 

You don't care one bit about States rights or human rights. Just like the articles of succesion in most of the States made clear....it was about enslaving a race of people, and by your own words.....we all know what that makes you.

 

Not just a fit, but a hissy fit!

 

in 1980, the KKK endorsed Ronald Reagan for president saying the Republican platform "looked like it had been written by a Klansman".

Reagan turned down the endorsement.

 

He was fully aware what would happen with his actions. Whereas Lincoln thought he would get away with his crimes till he died at a ripe old age. But he was wrong. Dead wrong.

 

I didn’t cherry pick anything. Read the quotes in context. They still say the same thing.

And the south did not go to war to save slavery. They had no need to do so.

 

you know nothing about what I believe. And you apparently know even less about the civil war or why it was fought.

If the south wanted to save slavery, why didn’t they just sign the Corwin amendment? An amendment which would have ended secession and guaranteed slavery as an inalienable constitutional right. An amendment which had already passed Congress, had full support from Lincoln and had already been ratified by multiple union states. If the war was about saving slavery, then why did the south refuse to sign?

Don’t worry. I’ll wait.

 

No....actually Lincoln knew he would be martyred for what he did. He had a strong preminition of death. On the other hand, Boothe thought he would return South and be a hero! He was a hero to no one. Don't know of any songs or art that glorify what he did.

 

That’s because you only read propaganda.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1542-734X.1982.0503_22.x

 

I'm not going to wait because I don't expect you to discuss articles of secession in which slavery was the primary reason. You lost America won get over it.
I study Civil War. Have all my life. I enjoy the character of men, both sides. Am also aware that at Appomattox there was forgiveness and reconciliation. Of course there are always exceptions. I understand Longstreet's grief when he heard the coward Boothe had shot Lincoln.

 

I’ll be happy to address the articles of secession. If you would actually READ them instead of excerpts from pro northern sites you would see that the CAUSE they named was that the north was willfully and explicitly violating the constitution, even after being ordered TWICE by the scotus to cease. To provide EVIDENCE of that claim they then reference slavery.

Slavery was the catalyst. It was not the cause.

 

Btw I wonder what Longstreet would have thought about Lincoln being shot if he had seen the letters from Sherman to Lincoln advocating to completely wipe out the southern population men, women, the elderly and children and Lincoln not ordering him to stand down? You still think he would have been bereaved? I’d say Longstreet would have shot Lincoln himself.

 

I agree, especially because nobody is really able to espouse what it is that Trump actually did, that no one else could, which led to the economy everyone credits him with.

One thing that often gets thrown out is, Trump got rid of some regulations. What regulations? What did this do that led to the economy being what it was? How did that work? What did it cost us?

*crickets*

Trump was in the White House at the same time that the economy was good, and to rubes that equals Trump making the economy good. But these same folks can produce a million reasons why Clinton wasn't responsible for the economic boom in the 90s.

 

True...much like the left couldn’t accept an election result then, they can’t now.

And much like spending was necessary to end the left wing socialist USSR, spending is necessary to fight the Obama funded Chinese virus

 

A list of regulations he’s rolled back that is too big to list here.

https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/tracking-deregulation-in-the-trump-era/

His deregulations have eased the cost of doing business, made financing easier and more available and made America a more attractive place to run a business.

The sole fact he’s pro-business, as opposed to his predecessor, makes businesses more willing to invest in America, expand production facilities and hire more employees because the uncertainty of when the next detrimental regulation may come around, making it more difficult for their company to operate, no longer exists.

Furthermore his renegotiation of incredibly one-sided economic pacts such as NAFTA has resulted in more business coming to America. His trade war with the Chinese (and short one with canada before they completely folded) has resulted in BILLIONS of dollars of tariffs being removed from our products and has facilitated the export of more American products. Not to mention put America in a much better position going forward for DECADES to come.

That’s why he’s hitting marks that Obama told us we would never hit again.

 

The propaganda prevailed among the contemporaries and your line of thinking only prevailed among a minority of small losers.....as it does today.

 

I'm not going to just shoot my mouth off about letters....I am going to provide you with one that proves your statement about Sherman a lie. Sherman loved the South. He spent much time in Atlanta before the War. If you don't like this letter, I will post another one where he warned his friends in the South (prewar) about going to war against the North. That will really prove the liar you are.
HEADQUARTERS MILITARY DIVISION OF THE MISSISSIPPI,

IN THE FIELD, ATLANTA, GEORGIA

September 12, 1864

JAMES M. CALHOUN, Mayor, E. E. PAWSON and S. C. WELLS, representing City Council of Atlanta.

GENTLEMEN: I have your letter of the 11th, in the nature of a petition to revoke my orders removing all the inhabitants from Atlanta. I have read it carefully, and give full credit to your statements of the distress that will be occasioned, and yet shall not revoke my orders, because they were not designed to meet the humanities of the case, but to prepare for the future struggles in which millions of good people outside of Atlanta have a deep interest. We must have peace , not only at Atlanta, but in all America. To secure this, we must stop the war that now desolates our once happy and favored country. To stop war, we must defeat the rebel armies which are arrayed against the laws and Constitution that all must respect and obey. To defeat those armies, we must prepare the way to reach them in their recesses, provided with the arms and instruments which enable us to accomplish our purpose.

Now, I know the vindictive nature of our enemy, that we may have many years of military operations from this quarter; and, therefore, deem it wise and prudent to prepare in time. The use of Atlanta for warlike purposes is inconsistent with its character as a home for families. There will be no manufactures, commerce, or agriculture here, for the maintenance of families, and sooner or later want will compel the inhabitants to go. Why not go now, when all the arrangements are completed for the transfer, instead of waiting till the plunging shot of contending armies will renew the scenes of the past month? Of course, I do not apprehend any such thing at this moment, but you do not suppose this army will be here until the war is over. I cannot discuss this subject with you fairly, because I cannot impart to you what we propose to do, but I assert that our military plans make it necessary for the inhabitants to go away, and I can only renew my offer of services to make their exodus in any direction as easy and comfortable as possible.

You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace. But you cannot have peace and a division of our country. If the United States submits to a division now, it will not stop, but will go on until we reap the fate of Mexico, which is eternal war. The United States does and must assert its authority, wherever it once had power; for, if it relaxes one bit to pressure, it is gone, and I believe that such is the national feeling. This feeling assumes various shapes, but always comes back to that of Union. Once admit the Union, once more acknowledge the authority of the national Government, and, instead of devoting your houses and streets and roads to the dread uses of war, I and this army become at once your protectors and supporters, shielding you from danger, let it come from what quarter it may. I know that a few individuals cannot resist a torrent of error and passion, such as swept the South into rebellion, but you can point out, so that we may know those who desire a government, and those who insist on war and its desolation.

You might as well appeal against the thunder-storm as against these terrible hardships of war. They are inevitable, and the only way the people of Atlanta can hope once more to live in peace and quiet at home, is to stop the war, which can only be done by admitting that it began in error and is perpetuated in pride.

We don't want your negroes, or your horses, or your houses, or your lands, or any thing you have, but we do want and will have a just obedience to the laws of the United States. That we will have, and, if it involves the destruction of your improvements, we cannot help it.
You have heretofore read public sentiment in your newspapers, that live by falsehood and excitement; and the quicker you seek for truth in other quarters, the better. I repeat then that, by the original compact of Government, the United States had certain rights in Georgia, which have never been relinquished and never will be; that the South began war by seizing forts, arsenals, mints, customhouses, etc., etc., long before Mr. Lincoln was installed, and before the South had one jot or tittle of provocation. I myself have seen in Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Mississippi, hundreds and thousands of women and children fleeing from your armies and desperadoes, hungry and with bleeding feet. In Memphis, Vicksburg, and Mississippi, we fed thousands upon thousands of the families of rebel soldiers left on our hands, and whom we could not see starve.

Now that war comes home to you, you feel very different. You deprecate its horrors, but did not feel them when you sent car-loads of soldiers and ammunition, and moulded shells and shot, to carry war into Kentucky and Tennessee, to desolate the homes of hundreds and thousands of good people who only asked to live in peace at their old homes, and under the Government of their inheritance. But these comparisons are idle. I want peace, and believe it can only be reached through union and war, and I will ever conduct war with a view to perfect and early success.

But, my dear sirs, when peace does come, you may call on me for any thing. Then will I share with you the last cracker, and watch with you to shield your homes and families against danger from every quarter.

Now you must go, and take with you the old and feeble, feed and nurse them, and build for them, in more quiet places, proper habitations to shield them against the weather until the mad passions of men cool down, and allow the Union and peace once more to settle over your old homes at Atlanta.

Yours in haste,

W. T. SHERMAN, Major-General commanding.

 

It was not the south who violated this country’s laws and the constitution. It was the north. The north willfully and relentlessly violated the constitution even after being ordered TWICE by the scotus to cease and desist.

If you and I enter into an agreement and we both willfully sign a contract that defines our rights and responsibilities under said agreement. Years later I come back and say, “You know I never liked this part of our agreement because I consider it to be immoral. As such I’m no longer going to uphold that portion of our contract whether you like it or not.” You respond and say, “That’s fine. If you want to unilaterally alter our agreement without my consent then I want out of our partnership.”

Who is the traitor, you or I?

If I then come back and say, “No you’re not leaving our partnership and if I have to murder your men, women and children to stop you then that’s what I’m going to do.”

Who is in the right and who is in the wrong? Furthermore, if placed in that position would you not fight back?

 

Sherman was a coward who refused to fight the confederate army and instead engaged in a scorched earth terrorism warfare campaign targeting civilians and murdered innocent women and children in order to sow terror through the populace. He outgunned, outsupplied and outnumbered the southern army nearly 3:1 and got his ass handed to him for years resulting in his alcoholism, his being deemed insane and a coward by his contemporaries and removed of his duties. So he decided to murder civilians instead. That piece of trash was nothing more than a terrorist.

Of course if the men I was leading were getting their asses kicked at a 4:1 kill ratio, I probably wouldn’t want to fight their army either. He was a coward and a pathetic military mind whose greatest contribution to the war was killing civilians and even then he led from the rear.

 

Hilarious how a small group of racist hillbillies lives in your mind rent free.

 

Are you kidding?
Lincoln is one of the most popular and respected POTUS of all time.
The Donald is the exact opposite of that.
They can't be more different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

 

One huge difference between Reagan and Trump is that when Reagan got caught committing treason he owned it, apologized and we moved on. Trump won't even own things he's said on camera with witnesses.

 

did you cash your socialist check? How much taxpayer money did Trump hand out? and is yet to hand out?

the right is ok with socialist spending it seems

 

are you saying the Trump shutdown was a failure on Trump's part

do you also think Trump's guidelines on re-opening are a failure on his part?

the Orange clown Trump never replenished our masks and ventilators over the last 3 years... why?

 

This is getting off topic but your analogy doesn't take everything into consideration. Sure, we have rights BUT we have responsibilities.
If you and I enter into an agreement and we combine our resources to throw off a tyrannical ruler, there is an understanding that our combined resources are what gave us that power. In our mutual understanding we have a clause that "all men are created equal." It has been overlooked to a degree for our unification and a degree of "grace" has been offered in it's overlook, but you insist on expanding that abuse to newly acquired territories. When you see this abuse is not going to be tolerated any longer.....you want to not only abolish our agreement, but want to raid the property of our combined efforts with complete disregard for what had been accomplished. There was also a responsibility to safeguard the many citizens in the South who remained loyal to that combined effort. Kentucky Tennesee and Texas had areas that were for remaining loyal to the Union and its precepts. No, the traitor was the one that said, "I am taking my toys and going home. This Union no longer serves the way of life I wish to pursue. A life built on the backs of human beings in BONDAGE!"