Where in the Constitution does it say the Fed gov should provide health care.

As opposed to your own, "pulled from your ass, slept in a Holiday Inn last night," legal expertise ...

In other words, I don't care. That was the decision and it's been upheld numerous times since. Reality - what a concept.

 

Right. So?

And we all pay for it if they don't have the means. Are you advocating that we continue doing so?

I think they have the right to healthcare before that point. Which actually saves money. This is why the right wing in all developed countries (other than ours) favors universal healthcare. Not because they believe that human beings have a right to it (though they wouldn't say it in public), but because it's less expensive. And they can point at us and say "see how expensive a Corporate death-panel Healthcare system is?"

Maybe. But mostly because they would be in deep legal trouble if they don't. That is so naive...

Oohhh... You said the "S" word.... You didn't make any point about it, but at least you got a chance to curse.

Medicaid is not "free". We all pay for it with taxes and contributions. And it's very expensive. It's expensive because we don't have a one-payer system. Insurance Corporations, which contribute nothing to the healthcare system, are what make it expensive.

You seem to be just one more of those who have drank the kool-aide in right-wing propaganda, which pushes this absurd notion that we want universal healthcare because it's free, right?

 

Yes! That would be essential.

 

That would definitely lower costs. And it would lower costs for everybody. Public and private options. My concern is that it would fool the gullible into thinking that this meant that private insurance was a real option. Which would be bad as a Public Health issue.

 

If free market profiteers wish to compete with the single-payer, universal coverage plan, a comparative analysis would readily establish the superior option.

If hardcore ideologues still preferred to pay the much higher premiums and accept the possibility of being rejected as uninsurable or have their coverage arbitrarily cancelled by bottom-line bureaucrats, I would allow them to have that privilege.

That would reflect the approach to schools. Everyone in a community contributes to the public option that is available for all, but individuals can still send their kids to a private one if they wish to pay for it.

 

They already have the authority to, so an amendment would be redundant.

 

you have ZERO understanding of the Constitution.

zilch

zippo

nada

 

There is no such authority granted in the constitution. However, the federal government is essentially lawless so the constitution is a dead letter, and the federal government does whatever it wants.

 

Congress was given wide discretion to provide for the welfare of the American people, by the Constitution.

 

Quote please.

 

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States

 

General welfare.

Unsupportable nonsense. The government gets slapped down all the time by the judiciary, if they exceed their constitutional authority.

Government providing healthcare is permitted by the constitution, and the judiciary agrees.

 

some parts of the USC are intentionally vague and general, so that Congress would have some discretion as needs of the nation grow and evolve.

we had very smart Founding Fathers.

 

No it wasn't.

It was given the power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises.

And it may not collect these funds for any reason whatsoever. It may only collect taxes in order to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the united states.

This power to collect taxes is not tantamount to wide discretion to provide for the welfare of the American people. It's a power to collect taxes, with severe restrictions.

 

The federal government gets slapped down by itself? Is that you like you punching yourself in the face?

 

"Where in the Constitution does it say the Fed gov should provide health care."

Right after the word "musket" in the 2nd amendment.

 

Quote please.

 

It is called the Tax and Spend Clause and addresses the "welfare" of the Federal Government.

 

No.........but interesting how you want to trash the Constitution. I guess next you will equate fighting obesity with fighting the Nazi's.

More folly.

 

It mentions pretty clearly provide for the common defense and raise armies and navies which the first four come under and specifically authorizes roads.

Failed again.

 

No more so than supporters of an Air Force want to trash the Constitution.

 

and general Welfare of the United States

of the Federal Government, not the People.

 

So we just say the universal healthcare system is an "army" that defends the health of the nation. Done.

 

So you are good with cancelling veterans healthcare benefits then?

 

Pretzel Logic at it's finest.