Which of the following cases should be granted an abortion

And how long would that take for a bioethics council to meet? Would you be happy waiting for a bioethics council to meet and decide if you were going to get a treatment you wanted?

as for adoption - it may still be problematic especially if she has to become the breadwinner because it will limit her earning

 

And if they took all precautions? Or it was one of the cases above? A 17 year old living on the streets may not have been raped in the strict legal sense but she will not have the same circle of control you or I would have

 

If a woman deems her pregnancy as unwanted then it is unwanted.
You seem to want to take that choice away from her as if she is too stupid to decide for herself.

What TF is "moral intelligence"?....if "intelligence " enters into it then one would intelligently realize not everyone's "morals" are the same.

 

Then WHY are you and other Anti-Choicers butting in ?

 

1) If you life is so shambolic that it could change so dramatically within 12 weeks, you have bigger problems than a stray pregnancy.

2) Sure, and the sky could fall. If a woman is determined not to conceive, she can do it ... and that's where the buck stops. Yes contraceptives sometimes fail (though just as often it's the user who fails to use the contraceptives correctly), but we know that - because we're not idiots or small children. We factor that risk in, if we can't afford to risk a pregnancy.

3) EXACTLY. Women know exactly what they're doing. Glad you agree.

 

I don't want to do anything but remind you how misogynistic it is to condemn women - whether by implication or directly - to some kind of childlike state wherein they don't understand cause and effect.

 

To rail against the misogyny.

 

17 year old homeless girls are a tiny proportion of abortion patients.

 

Are they? Let me ask - who do you think is the “typical” person seeking an abortion

 

Maybe. But a white baby will still fetch more on the adoption market than probably what that single mother will earn in an entire year.

Just something to consider.

Many adoptive parents seeking a baby are willing to pay the pregnant woman up front to agree to give them the baby, and are willing to assume the risk that the baby might not be healthy or could have a disability - the biological mother would still be guaranteed to get paid.

 

Unwanted by her. There might be plenty of other loving families waiting on long lists to have a baby like that.

 

You mean the misogyny evident in the “blame the woman for being a reckless slut but laud the man for being a fertile stud” misogyny?

 

Why do you feel free to misquote me, or misrepresent my opinion? It is not my opinion that any one of any gender knows exactly what they are doing, and it never will be my position. If it is yours, claim it as yours and leave me out of it.

Not one word that you have written undermines my position that women however flawed they may or may not be, are in the best position to decide what form of contraception to use, whether to use any at all, and whether to bring a pregnancy to term, not any govt, institution or party. They are the proper stewards of their body and of the fetus and they are inevitably in the better place to decide what should happen with that fetus.

 

What “adoption market”?

https://birthmotherthoughts.com/ado...urces/do-birth-mothers-get-paid-for-adoption/

Katz next time save yourself some embarrassment and check your facts first

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
If a woman deems her pregnancy as unwanted then it is unwanted.

So what?

It isn't their body or their decision OR YOURS ...it's the decision of the pregnant one....

what can't you understand about that????? Women are not things to be used....

 

Oh, he's used to it

 

crank said: ↑
1) If you life is so shambolic that it could change so dramatically within 12 weeks, you have bigger problems than a stray pregnancy.

2) Sure, and the sky could fall. If a woman is determined not to conceive, she can do it ... and that's where the buck stops. Yes contraceptives sometimes fail (though just as often it's the user who fails to use the contraceptives correctly), but we know that - because we're not idiots or small children. We factor that risk in, if we can't afford to risk a pregnancy.

3) EXACTLY. Women know exactly what they're doing. Glad you agree.

She does that to me and others also...she has no argument so she has to constantly makes up things and claim other posters say them when they never have...

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Then WHY are you and other Anti-Choicers butting in ?

What misogyny ??? Pro-Choicers want to protect women's rights, not destroy them like Anti-Choicers ( misogynists)..


So you are Pro-Choice?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
If a woman deems her pregnancy as unwanted then it is unwanted.
You seem to want to take that choice away from her as if she is too stupid to decide for herself.

Which I never did and like all your other posts is just make believe because you really don't have an argument of any merit..


FoxHastings said: ↑
If a woman deems her pregnancy as unwanted then it is unwanted.
You seem to want to take that choice away from her as if she is too stupid to decide for herself.

 

It is sexist and misogynistic to expect women to never make a mistake..

Women are human, they make mistakes. To say they shouldn't is misogynistic and sexist.

 

It's not the end of the world to make a mistake. We just have to take responsibility for our mistakes and make the best of the situation that exists and do the right thing from then on.
If she only makes one mistake in her entire life, then it really won't be so bad. That's only one pregnancy.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
It is sexist and misogynistic to expect women to never make a mistake..

So you take care of YOUR mistakes and let others deal with thiers...

If anyone only makes ONE mistake in their lives it would be a miracle....here you go again entering the world of fantasy.

It is sexist and misogynistic to expect women to never make a mistake....or only make one...

 

Having an abortion often IS the responsible thing to do. You do not know the circumstances these women are in you do not know what is driving the decisions



So, what say instead of railing at women we empower them by giving out “baby bonuses” so that they can successfully raise the child or better child support or paid maternity leave or……..best yet make LARCS cheap and affordable

 

Not at all. But I would protest very loudly that 17 year old homeless girls would be one of the tiniest proportions. I have no doubt that the vast majority are ordinary adult women, living indoors and simply not in a position to deal with a child.

 

What drove their decision to risk a pregnancy? If they know their circumstances won't tolerate a baby .. I mean.