White Guilt?

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Avery Jarhman, Dec 27, 2018.

  1. Collateral Damage

    Collateral Damage Well-Known Member

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    Then you shouldn't have made the statement then, hmmmm?
     
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  2. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    hmm, maybe you need to find some evidence because for all ive tried, can i find some.....and its not for lack of knowledge, or maybe it is...
     
  3. crank

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    Oh ... well that's alright then. So any kind of institutional program designed to give one race favoured status, and necessarily therefore gives all other races 'lower' status, isn't racist. Well that's good to know. And I thought that that was exactly what institutional racism was. What a silly I've been all these years ..... not even realising.
     
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  4. Esau

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    im glad we cleared all that up, seemed like we were going nowhere hahaha
     
  5. crank

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    We seem to have had an influx of racism in PF, lately.

    It's not like we didn't know that that's the general direction the Faux Left were going, but it's shocking to see it writ large either way.
     
  6. Esau

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    really? havent been here in a while and i thought the mods have done a great job, there is practically zero racism. it used to be racists in every topic.
     
  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sure they have.
    if a black man targets a white woman for rape and murder because she is white, that's racism.
     
  8. Raffishragabash

    Raffishragabash Banned

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    Yes, you are correct here ---if they are in Nigeria! Or, any Negro-controlled society which has shown overt, public hatred for White people who are mainly oppressed in the society.
     
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    Raffishragabash Banned

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    Actually PF clearly has had an influx of racism, since Jan'13 at least.
     
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    Raffishragabash Banned

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    Of course, Blacks can have racist thoughts. But they cannot exercise any, Racism, as long as they are powerless in a White-controlled society which overtly hates them and ostracizes them worse than all groups in the society.
     
  11. Maccabee

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    That is blatantly false. Racism does not require holding a position of power.
     
  12. Raffishragabash

    Raffishragabash Banned

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    Who should readers believe?

    Your emotions?? Or scholars and specialists' studies?


    https://medium.com/handwaving-freakoutery/the-two-confusing-definitions-of-racism-2d685d3af845

    Colloquial Definition Two: “Racism = Prejudice + Power”
    In R(2), racism is institutionalized in hierarchies of societal power. R(2) adherents do not view governments, corporations, or other organizations as collections of individuals making individual choices.

    They view them as monolithic structures laid over society that have their own means and goals. It is a collectivist interpretation, as opposed to an individualist interpretation, of the world. To an R(2) adoptee, nobody can be racist if they aren’t in the dominant group, no matter how prejudiced they are, because they lack one of the two variables in the equation.

    In R(2), impact is important. If someone says something racially prejudiced, but they have no ability to wield that prejudice against others, owing to a lack of power, the racial prejudice is harmless and doesn’t count as “racism.” R(2) adherents will dismiss complaints against people they view as marginalized out of hand, stating simply “there is no such thing as reverse racism.”

    Further, racial prejudice against the dominant group can actually be considered “anti-racist,” if they view that racial prejudice as hurting the dominant group’s power.

    Another thing that crops up quite a bit in R(2) circles is the idea that racism itself was invented by Europeans. They will dismiss things that look functionally similar to racism in the rest of the world by reclassifying them as “racialism,” leaning on the idea that because the power structures in the USA stem from white European traditions, other power structures aren’t pertinent to discussion at all.

    R(2) Indoctrination Paths:
    The R(2) definition was first elucidated by Patricia Bidol-Pavda in 1970, after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and death of Martin Luther King Jr. in 1968. I have not been deeply indoctrinated into R(2), so my analysis on this is limited purely by what I see from my viewpoint. It appears to me that the primary indoctrination mode for R(2) thinking is liberal academia, quite often Marxist in leaning.

    The Marxist world frame is one where power is a fixed quantity, and groups compete for that power. If any one group has power, then that power was stolen from other groups, and the other groups must take the power back from the dominant group. Fighting racism for the R(2)s is a group struggle against other groups, not an individual act related to other individuals.

    To apply the R(2) process, they must form ingroups, and attack outgroups. But psychologically speaking, the process of forming these groups requires them to stereotype based on skin color, which is a severe divergence from the individualist R(1) interpretation. In fact, it’s completely counter to it, and that’s where the major conversational divide appears.

    At it’s root, the disagreements between the R(1)s and the R(2)s aren’t mostly about racism at all. Instead, they flow from the fundamental differences between individualist mindsets and collectivist mindsets...
     
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  13. Maccabee

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    To answer your question, how about simply the dictionary?

    prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
     
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    Raffishragabash Banned

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    No. Sorry about that pal but we cannot play pretend about, reality, when it comes to the true meaning of Racism in 2018.
     
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    You're the one rejecting the definition of racism, not me. Get back to me when having power over someone is part of the dictionary definition of racism.
     
  16. Raffishragabash

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    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

    racism
    noun

    rac·ism | \ ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi- \

    Definition of racism

    1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

    2a: a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
    b: a political or social system founded on racism


    3: racial prejudice or discrimination



    Other Words from racismSynonyms The History and Dictionary Meaning of RacismExample Sentences Learn More about racism
    Other Words from racism
    racist \ ˈrā-sist also -shist \ noun or adjective
    Synonyms for racism
    Synonyms

    racialism

    The History and Dictionary Meaning of Racism
    Racism appears to be a word of recent origin, with no citations currently known that would suggest the word was in use prior to the early 20th century. But the fact that the word is fairly new does not prove that the concept of racism did not exist in the distant past. Things may have words to describe them before they exist (spaceship, for instance, has been in use since the 19th century, well before the rocket-fired vessels were invented), and things may exist for a considerable time before they are given names (t-shirt does not appear in print until the 20th century, although the article of clothing existed prior to 1900).

    Dictionaries are often treated as the final arbiter in arguments over a word’s meaning, but they are not always well suited for settling disputes.
    The lexicographer’s role is to explain how words are (or have been) actually used, not how some may feel that they should be used, and they say nothing about the intrinsic nature of the thing named by a word, much less the significance it may have for individuals. When discussing concepts like racism, therefore, it is prudent to recognize that quoting from a dictionary is unlikely to either mollify or persuade the person with whom one is arguing.



    Nope.

    I will not get back to you. Your decision to embarrass your own intelligence, in 2018, is not something I can prevent. So go have fun with your, hallucinating, that a dictionary is the only possesser of reality.

    You get back to me, when you get tired of 'apologizing' for being Black.
     
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  17. Maccabee

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    Oh, so the second definition trumps the first and third. You're proving my point. Racism doesn't require power.




    Addressing bold, so feelings trumps facts. Got it.




    Insults my intelligence while still thinking we're in 2018 in February. Classy.

    Insults my intelligence while misspelling possessor. Brilliant. BTW, the dictionary IS reality.
    When did I ever apologized for being black?
     
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    Blacks were paid, in FREEDOM and citizenship, anyone else trying to capitalize on that is sick and attempting to profit off the suffering of their ancestors. What sort of trash would do that?
     
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    "Trash" which has been convinced by racist White Knights that they're helpless, so they might as well try. In the meantime, other black skinned curly haired people continue their upward trajectory in America, unimpeded by the racism of White Knights - which is very specifically directed to the soft target they created with their 'helping'.
     
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    1) like believing that African Americans are necessarily 'less than' and therefore need much more help

    2) like a 'political program' focused on identity

    3) like that currently employed against non-African Americans, commonly known as AA
     
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    No idea what you are trying to say here, be more clear. Sounds a lot like whining that blacks consistently under-achieve in all areas and other groups are passing them by...
     
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    Yes, that is exactly what their 'allies' say of them. And there is one here who claims it's related to dark skin and curly hair -which is patently untrue (see: Nigerian American doctors and lawyers).
     
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    that is sadly, the standard White European response. Thankfully, my circle have not been indoctrinated with this kind of abhorrent rhetoric and if i find such they are swiftly removed and my postition in the Kingdom is solidified. See you when you get there ;-)
     
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    Is it? You don't think it's also the position of those non-white folk in the Western World who regard such nonsense as excuses, while on their way to dominating whites in all meaningful measures (income, education, low crime rates, etc)? If you're not sure, I recommend you spend some time around successful non-white migrants.
     
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    You can flip it and bounce it however you please. Your deceit won't change the, fact, that you now get to gulp down that dictionary definition that you constantly screamed to receive.



    Cheers!



    You being so wrong so often, has caused you to now become so, desperate, to whereas you focused on me writing an 8 instead of a 9?

    8)

    You being so wrong so often, has caused you to now become so, desperate, to whereas you focused on me writing an e instead of an o?

    8)


    Every topic, every post.
     
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