White Guilt?

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    Hello, to my fellow American citizens and foreign born neighbors.

    Respectfully, I am curious to learn if you believe the concept of 'WHITE GUILT' is responsible for a significant population of American citizens creating, funding and then WILLFULLY IGNORING America's decades long *CHILD CARE* PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS, aka America's potentially life scarring SYSTEMIC & GENERATIONAL Culture of Black or African American Child Abuse, Emotional Neglect and Maltreatment that evolved from America's multi-generational, ignorant, once legal Culture of Racism!

    I am referring to a Culture of Child Abuse, Emotional Neglect, Abandonment and Maltreatment responsible for popular American urban story-TRUTH-tellers and 'Childhood Trauma' (#ACEs) victims the late Tupac Shakur (born 1971) and Mr. Barack "My Brother's Keeper" Obama White House guest and friend Kendrick Lamar (born 1987) vividly describing in their American art and interviews the "T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E." and "Good Kid, m.A.A.d. City" Child Abuse Cultures prevalent in far too many American communities.

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    Dear responsible neighbor, I am referring to a Culture of Systemic and Generational CHILD ABUSE that THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, deprived Tupac and Kendrick, their childhood friends, as well as many of their elementary and JHS classmates from experiencing a SAFE, fairly or wonderfully happy American kid childhood.

    Sadly, the traumatic, potentially life-scarring Criminal Child Abuse and Emotional Abandonment each of these men speaks about experiencing during a critical period of human/childhood development, resulted with them maturing into emotionally ill adults revealing in public they’ve been experiencing acute depression as well as Suic*dal Thoughts for most of their lives.

    The same Culture of African American Child Abuse, Neglect and Maltreatment that for near 40 years has been inspiring significant numbers of popular urban story-TRUTH-tellers to compose and promote American music art HATEFULLY informing our world that American girls, women and MOTHERS of African descent should be viewed as less than human *itches, *hores, 'hoes' or "THOTS" unworthy of being treated with basic human respect. (THOT = "That Hoe Over There")

    Unfortunately, it's plainly evident Kendrick, Tupac as well as untold numbers of American children are being raised, nurtured and socialized by moms experiencing some type of illness preventing and impeding them from embracing and following their innate, natural maternal instinct to protect their child or children from harm.

    Dear responsible neighbor, perhaps I'm wrong but *something* is preventing significant numbers of black or American moms of African descent from recognizing that placing ABOVE ALL ELSE the emotional well being of our Nation's most precious and cherished assets, will most likely result with a fairly or wonderfully happy child maturing into a reasonably responsible teen and adult citizen caring about their own well being (*May 18, 2015 - Rise in Suic!de by Black Children Surprises Researchers - The New York Times*), as well as embracing compassion, empathy and respect for their peaceful or less fortunate neighbors.
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    The late 'Childhood Trauma' (#ACEs) victim Tupac Shakur's T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E Child Abuse, Emotional Neglect, Abandonment & Maltreatment *AWARENESS-PREVENTION* concept applies to American and foreign born citizens of ALL backgrounds:

    T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E. - "The HATE U Give Little Infants Fvvks *EVERYONE"* ~Tupac Shakur

    “We need more people who care; you know what I’m saying? We need more women, mothers, fathers, we need more of that…” ~Tupac Shakur, American urban story-TRUTH-teller

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    Dear responsible neighbor, admire her or not, now that 'Childhood Trauma' (#ACEs) victim-survivor Oprah Winfrey LOUDLY addressed our Nation's *CHILD CARE* PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS, will YOU, a responsible, caring American citizen join Oprah & Dr. Nadine Burke Harris, MD, FAAP, MPH, pediatrician & CEO of the 'Center For Youth Wellness', in passionately calling for a National MOVEMENT educating American & foreign born primary child caregivers about a potentially life scarring medical disease/condition:

    "Childhood Trauma" aka
    "Adverse Childhood Experiences" (#ACEs)

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    During a March 11, 2018 '60 Minutes' segment titled, "Treating Trauma," Oprah Winfrey, a 'Childhood Trauma' (#ACEs) victim-survivor shared knowledge regarding America's easily PREVENTABLE, though potentially life scarring *CHILD CARE* PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.

    Knowledge Oprah exuberantly confirms is a "game changer."

    Video search terms: "Oprah Winfrey, Fixing The 'Hole In Your Soul'"



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    Dear responsible American and foreign born neighbor, I look forward to reading your reply, with hopes of intelligently discussing SOLUTIONS for PREVENTING large numbers of our Nation's most precious and cherished assets from experiencing, THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, a traumatic, potentially life scarring childhood and teen upbringing fraught with Struggles, PAIN, Hardships, COMMUNITY FEAR, Frustrations, Uncertainty, Depression, Sorrow, Sadness, Torment, Demeaning Government Handouts, Resentment, HATE and COMMUNITY VIOLENCE!

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    Video search terms: 'Exposing "PRO BLACK" Modus Operandi, Logic, Fvvkery, Savagery, White Supremacy' ~Mrs. Princella Clark-Carr



    Video search terms: "Dysfunctional 'PRO BLACK' American Logic Succinctly Explained By Social Commentator Mr. David Carroll"



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    Thanks for creating this topic.



    IMHO I like the analysis which White man, Robert Jensen, gives to validate why there should be White Guilt and it should cause White people to rethink their perception of the USA:
     
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    by Robert Jensen

    Here's what white privilege sounds like:

    I am sitting in my University of Texas office, talking to a very bright and very conservative white student about affirmative action in college admissions, which he opposes and I support.

    The student says he wants a level playing field with no unearned advantages for anyone. I ask him whether he thinks that in the United States being white has advantages. Have either of us, I ask, ever benefited from being white in a world run mostly by white people? Yes, he concedes, there is something real and tangible we could call white privilege.

    So, if we live in a world of white privilege--unearned white privilege--how does that affect your notion of a level playing field? I ask.

    He paused for a moment and said, "That really doesn't matter."

    That statement, I suggested to him, reveals the ultimate white privilege: the privilege to acknowledge you have unearned privilege but ignore what it means.


    That exchange led me to rethink the way I talk about race and racism with students. It drove home to me the importance of confronting the dirty secret that we white people carry around with us everyday: In a world of white privilege, some of what we have is unearned. I think much of both the fear and anger that comes up around discussions of affirmative action has its roots in that secret. So these days, my goal is to talk openly and honestly about white supremacy and white privilege.

    White privilege, like any social phenomenon, is complex. In a white supremacist culture, all white people have privilege, whether or not they are overtly racist themselves. There are general patterns, but such privilege plays out differently depending on context and other aspects of one's identity (in my case, being male gives me other kinds of privilege). Rather than try to tell others how white privilege has played out in their lives, I talk about how it has affected me.

    I am as white as white gets in this country. I am of northern European heritage and I was raised in North Dakota, one of the whitest states in the country. I grew up in a virtually all-white world surrounded by racism, both personal and institutional. Because I didn't live near a reservation, I didn't even have exposure to the state's only numerically significant non-white population, American Indians.

    I have struggled to resist that racist training and the ongoing racism of my culture. I like to think I have changed, even though I routinely trip over the lingering effects of that internalized racism and the institutional racism around me. But no matter how much I "fix" myself, one thing never changes--I walk through the world with white privilege.

    What does that mean? Perhaps most importantly, when I seek admission to a university, apply for a job, or hunt for an apartment, I don't look threatening. Almost all of the people evaluating me for those things look like me--they are white. They see in me a reflection of themselves, and in a racist world that is an advantage. I smile. I am white. I am one of them. I am not dangerous. Even when I voice critical opinions, I am cut some slack. After all, I'm white.

    My flaws also are more easily forgiven because I am white. Some complain that affirmative action has meant the university is saddled with mediocre minority professors. I have no doubt there are minority faculty who are mediocre, though I don't know very many. As Henry Louis Gates Jr. once pointed out, if affirmative action policies were in place for the next hundred years, it's possible that at the end of that time the university could have as many mediocre minority professors as it has mediocre white professors. That isn't meant as an insult to anyone, but is a simple observation that white privilege has meant that scores of second-rate white professors have slid through the system because their flaws were overlooked out of solidarity based on race, as well as on gender, class and ideology.

    Some people resist the assertions that the United States is still a bitterly racist society and that the racism has real effects on real people. But white folks have long cut other white folks a break. I know, because I am one of them.

    I am not a genius--as I like to say, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. I have been teaching full-time for six years, and I've published a reasonable amount of scholarship. Some of it is the unexceptional stuff one churns out to get tenure, and some of it, I would argue, actually is worth reading. I work hard, and I like to think that I'm a fairly decent teacher. Every once in awhile, I leave my office at the end of the day feeling like I really accomplished something. When I cash my paycheck, I don't feel guilty.

    But, all that said, I know I did not get where I am by merit alone. I benefited from, among other things, white privilege. That doesn't mean that I don't deserve my job, or that if I weren't white I would never have gotten the job. It means simply that all through my life, I have soaked up benefits for being white. I grew up in fertile farm country taken by force from non-white indigenous people. I was educated in a well-funded, virtually all-white public school system in which I learned that white people like me made this country great. There I also was taught a variety of skills, including how to take standardized tests written by and for white people.

    All my life I have been hired for jobs by white people. I was accepted for graduate school by white people. And I was hired for a teaching position at the predominantly white University of Texas, which had a white president, in a college headed by a white dean and in a department with a white chairman that at the time had one non-white tenured professor.

    There certainly is individual variation in experience. Some white people have had it easier than me, probably because they came from wealthy families that gave them even more privilege. Some white people have had it tougher than me because they came from poorer families. White women face discrimination I will never know. But, in the end, white people all have drawn on white privilege somewhere in their lives.

    Like anyone, I have overcome certain hardships in my life. I have worked hard to get where I am, and I work hard to stay there. But to feel good about myself and my work, I do not have to believe that "merit," as defined by white people in a white country, alone got me here. I can acknowledge that in addition to all that hard work, I got a significant boost from white privilege, which continues to protect me every day of my life from certain hardships.

    At one time in my life, I would not have been able to say that, because I needed to believe that my success in life was due solely to my individual talent and effort. I saw myself as the heroic American, the rugged individualist. I was so deeply seduced by the culture's mythology that I couldn't see the fear that was binding me to those myths. Like all white Americans, I was living with the fear that maybe I didn't really deserve my success, that maybe luck and privilege had more to do with it than brains and hard work. I was afraid I wasn't heroic or rugged, that I wasn't special.

    I let go of some of that fear when I realized that, indeed, I wasn't special, but that I was still me. What I do well, I still can take pride in, even when I know that the rules under which I work in are stacked in my benefit. I believe that until we let go of the fiction that people have complete control over their fate--that we can will ourselves to be anything we choose--then we will live with that fear. Yes, we should all dream big and pursue our dreams and not let anyone or anything stop us. But we all are the product both of what we will ourselves to be and what the society in which we live lets us be.

    White privilege is not something I get to decide whether or not I want to keep. Every time I walk into a store at the same time as a black man and the security guard follows him and leaves me alone to shop, I am benefiting from white privilege. There is not space here to list all the ways in which white privilege plays out in our daily lives, but it is clear that I will carry this privilege with me until the day white supremacy is erased from this society.

    Frankly, I don't think I will live to see that day; I am realistic about the scope of the task. However, I continue to have hope, to believe in the creative power of human beings to engage the world honestly and act morally. A first step for white people, I think, is to not be afraid to admit that we have benefited from white privilege. It doesn't mean we are frauds who have no claim to our success. It means we face a choice about what we do with our success.
     
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    Most powerful words
    in his statement, with respect to the mindset of this thread's OP no doubt.
     
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    Hello, Raffish. Thank you for replying and sharing.

    I have a three brief, basic questions for Professor Robert Johnson:

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    White guilt? Not a big seller. Nobody's buyin'.
    White privilege? Yeah! I'll take some of that!

    What's white is all beside the point. Children that grow up in poverty, no matter the race, are exposed to stressors that the rest of society are shielded from. Stress causes an increase in cortisol levels. Chronically high levels of cortisol cause changes in brain structure. Children exhibit low cognitive functioning, poor emotional control, a lack of empathy, attention deficits, aggressive behavior and more, all guaranteed to hamper education which is the gateway to a legitimate way to pay the bills. Those children grow up to repeat the cycle.
    The challenge is to lower the stressors of poverty and stop the cycle.
     
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    Hello, Edna. Thank you for taking the time to offer an intelligent, FACT-based reply.

    I understand potentially life scarring incompetent, dysfunctional or criminal parenting touches the lives of kids residing in EVERY single American community.

    However, I cannot and WILL NOT ignore the FACT that for more than thirty years significant numbers of apparent or admitted depressed, emotionally ill American urban story-TRUTH-tellers raised, nurtured and socialized by black or American teen and adult moms of African descent have been composing music art HATEFULLY demeaning and denigrating black or American females of African descent.

    Something is DEFINITELY AMISS when for decades, from coast to coast, American music performers and significant numbers of American urban story-TRUTH-tellers, including Mr. Barack “My Brother’s Keeper” Obama & Mrs. Michelle "GIRL POWER" Obama's friends and WH guests, are HATEFULLY characterizing their moms, sisters, grandmas, daughters, aunts and nieces as less than human creatures and *hores undeserving of being treated with basic human respect.

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    Edna, I WILL NOT ignore reliable data clearly identifying black or American girls and women of African descent are responsible for creating our Nation's highest numbers of Reported Cases of Child Abuse.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-rates-by-jazelle-hunt-blackvoicenews.547065/

    Edna, I will not ignore the FACT for more than thirty years black or American music makers of African descent, including President "My Brother's Keeper" and First Lady "GIRL POWER" Obama WH friends or guests, have been composing music HATEFULLY denigrating American moms, grandmothers, daughters, sisters, aunts and nieces of African descent as less than human B*tches and HOES, THOTS or RATCHET females undeserving of being treated with basic human respect.

    Edna, I will not IGNORE anecdotal evidence that in my opinion offers the ONLY reason why black American urban-TRUTH-tellers, aka rappers, compose music informing our entire world that black American girls, women and MOTHERS are less than human creatures and whores.

    Edna, currently on the Internet there are COUNTLESS videos produced by black American citizens who are intelligently or harshly criticizing the dysfunctional, as well as people and community harming behaviors black or American girls and women of African descent have been engaging in.

    Frankly, I believe Ms. Jazzyslim offers the ONLY reason large numbers of black Americans, including Obama WH guests, have been HATING-ON girls and women of color.

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    Edna replied to Avery:
    Edna, regardless of the community, in your opinion WHO is primarily responsible for creating a potentially life scarring, though easily preventable HEALTH and social condition we call POVERTY?

    If you choose to discuss this topic, we can further explore whether or not 'white guilt' is a real concept, as well as specifically who is experiencing guilt.

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    Once again your statements simply are not based in, logic, if you think White America should be able to keep lying & discriminating & cheating in order to compete against Black citizens.

    If you and Mac and Jahr plus all of racist America, are so fine and dandy with the current Inequality which fuels American Life, then let's stop collecting tax monies from Black citizens. Let's stop requiring that they pay for any GOVT services. It's only fair. If we are going to continue to cheat them out of freedom, then it is unreasonable to require of the them the same "pay your way" citizenship enjoyed by us non-Blacks who don't get raped for our Democracy.
     
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    Why do you constantly bring it back to what white people in America are supposedly doing to black people? Why do you constantly ignore the much worse and non-imaginary discrimination going on all over the world by your precious brown people? Do you just hate white people?

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    Do those other countries you mention from around the world, have an Emancipation Proclamation?

    Do they have a 13th Amendment? Do they have a Civil Rights Act of 1964/Title VII of 1964??

    Do they have a Voting Rights Act of 1965?


    If not?

    Then you answered your own question.
     
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    You're saying that because only white people have laws against discrimination that therefore only they should be criticised for the supposed discrimination you accuse them of? And that it's fine for all of your precious non-whites to engage in discrimination and ethnic competition, in much more severe and demonstrable ways as opposed to your vague accusations, because they don't have any laws about it? That's a morally bankrupt position. You just hate white people.
     
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    ...only they should be getting my attention!
     
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    Sure. You're just anti-white. A total hypocrite who accuses your victim of what you are doing. Absolutely disgusting.
     
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    I have no control over your hallucinations here.
     
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    You use the same tactic that is always used.

    You cant do good, in any respect, till ALL others do it firster. This, to never have to do anything you aren't MADE to.

    And the other part of that, if you want some GOOD, then YOU libs pay for it all. Such as, want higher taxes fro any reason, YOU LIBS pay it ALL, in voluntary giving.

    Petulant drivel.
     
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    Niiice.
     
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    So you're saying white people should unilaterally treat everybody equally, while nobody else does, because that's "good"? Sounds like anti-white bullshit to me.
     
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    Just how long are you going to use the experiences of your long-dead ancestors you never met to try to guilt-extort things from white people?

    What "freedom" are black people being "cheated out of"?
     
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    AND that white people should toss aside their identity, make the "universal good" their goal in politics in countries they founded, while nobody else does?
     
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    [/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

    People who are abused, demeaned and feel powerless sometimes make themselves feel better by reciprocating on someone less powerful then themselves......women.
     
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    [/QUOTE]

    People who are abused, demeaned and feel powerless sometimes make themselves feel better by reciprocating on someone less powerful then themselves......women.[/QUOTE]

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    Hello again, Edna.

    Edna, your reply, as well as non-reply to questions I posed, offers glimmers of 'white guilt'.

    Your reply, or non-reply to the following question may offer your readers an indication of whether or not you are experiencing 'white guilt'.

    Edna, do you have a 'credible' theory explaining WHY during the 1950s, 60s and 70s virtually all black or American songwriters, musicians and singers of African descent were showing off their talent, skills, peacefulness and generosity by sharing with our world classic, beautifully composed American music art all American can and should be proud of, as well as performing and promoting music art praising, adoring, honoring, wooing, lamenting, loving and respecting the MATERNAL HALF of America's population...

    ..YET, in the 80s and beyond, large numbers of American music recording artists and urban story-TRUTH-tellers BEGAN composing female HATING, as well as female demeaning American art angrily informing people residing all around our beautiful tiny blue orb...

    ...that black or American girls and women of African descent are to be viewed as less than human *itches, and treated like *hores, 'hoes', 't.h.o.t.s.' or RATCHET females undeserving of being offered basic human respect?

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    Could it be you are romanticizing the past? It had been common to beat women and raping your wife was legal. Maybe misogyny wasn't verbalized until gangsta rap came along but I think black women are more powerful than they have ever been and the men that are insecure do not like it.
     

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