White nationalist groups plan rally in Lexington to oppose moving statues

So....no numbers, but you "know somebody"

I agree with you that White Nationalism is a fraud, It's nothing more than a hyped up name for hating blacks, but "globalism" is nothing more than a hype for xenophobia and all of them are nothing more than scapegoats that lots of young white Americans find convenient excuses for their own failures in life. They can't be blamed, life is hard if you're young and trying to make it; it always has been, and they're have always been pols willing to take advantage of them and tell them they don't need to go to school or get more work experience but just vote for them and then the immigrant or black won't get that job that they couldn't have done anyway.

 

If you believe this then you have locked your mind.......a serious tip? Slow down and ask yourself who will benefit from an authoritarian state as it won't be the left nor the right. United we stand divided we fall. If Trump is still POTUS and he enacts martial law, do you trust him to rescind it? Is that what the people he is aligned with want, for him to give it back to the people?<- Has he exhibited this ever in his life?

 

No one said they were smart, or they wouldn't have run Hillary. This started when she got tazed.

 

Cemeteries are good, Museums too.

The ACW was strange and Lee even stranger. Michael Shaara begins his book on Gettysburg by pointing out that Lee was the most respected and even beloved figure in BOTH armies at the time of that great battle and very few wars have reunions attended by soldiers who fought on both sides like I've seen films of taken in the 1920's

 

Except the people and families of the people that they kill.

 

America is founded on the principle of equality, and YOU are trying to make an argument that that specific founding principle is garbage.

Sorry. You are just plain wrong.

As for globalism, America has advanced BECAUSE of globalism, not in spite of it. Our standard of living is what it is because we can sell our products throughout the world and we can buy stuff from around the world.

The reasons for hating globalism that Trump tries to use are total nonsense. The world has caught up to us in manufacturing. That's just a fact. And, our direction on that is to move strongly toward automation. Coal production is struggling, because we found cheaper and cleaner sources of energy. That isn't a result of too much regulation.

Look at NAFTA and our trade deals with China. Trump loves to berate these trade deals. But, he has no proposals for how they could be improved. In fact, he's spent his time in office seriously POing every nation he has talked to - except perhaps Russia! Now, he's POed the execs from the major US businesses, so he's had to disband his "Strategy and Policy Forum" and his "Manufacturing Council".

Trump is a disaster for US business, because he thinks like you!!

 

Who should have run, Sanders? Trump would have won the Electoral AND the popular. Hillary carried no more baggage than most other pols with 30 years experience and at least she wasn't a Nazi, (though to be fair nobody knew of President Himmler's real sympathies until recently)

 

Jealousy born of dispair

Liberalism is depressing for conservatives that have to deal with it from time to time

but its even more depressing for liberals who have to live in lib la la land and be forever angry or sad

 

Thank you for saying all that so very well

 

I believe that many lefties - maybe even a majority - do not want a war

Most are just progressives who want a better America through government intervention

They think it just takes the right government making the important decisions

And the only thing standing in the way of that is trump and trump voters like me

You don't mean me any phyical harm but there are enough lefties who do want violence that it could happen in spite of our best intentions

 

Unfortunately, alt-right groups have taken up the banner of the old South and the Nazi movement to promote racial hatred in the US.

The symbols of the old South are NOT going to survive that, as the entire movement points in a direction that can not possibly ever be seen as consistent with our fundamental American beliefs.

Regardless of "respect" or being "beloved", if RELee came back to lead armies of segregation and white "supremacy" today, he would be put down as soundly as he was before.

And, the same goes for Hitler - the original or any even moderately related imposter of today.

If anyone wants the symbols of the old South to remain, they are going to have to find something acceptable to associate with them and they are going to have to cleanse the earth of the hate groups that make those icons their own.

And, they better do it fast, because patience is running out.

 

I do not see ANY "best intentions" in the alt-right. Not one.

As for government involvement, the catch is that there ARE problems that need to be solved. Some of those problems are better solved by government.

If there were a non-government solution, I would be more than fine with that.

I would add that it has to be a real solution, not a "let low income families have no access to health care" type of solution or a solution that ignores the realities brought to our attention so clearly by scientific analysis.

 

Wow, you're awareness of the US history on slavery and civil rights is just plain nonexistent.

 

And the rest of the Republicans, most of the Democrats, nearly all of the Independents, the majority of the Social Democrats etc, etc.

You may believe that ONLY Trump can save us but the majority of Americans still sees you as the problem

 

I agree that the image of the Confederate battle flag - The Stars and Bars - has been damaged by its association with the KKK

An association it did not ask for btw

There is no question about that

Its a beautiful flag with a proud history

but it is so misunderstood by people today that no matter how much I respect the men who carried it into battle I would not fly it in my yard because I know that many of my black and white neighbors would not understand

There just isn't enough hours in the day to deal with all the liberal ignorance on display in America

 

False. The objective is equality. When there is serious inequality, it makes the most sense to work towards the improved condition of those who are not receiving equal treatment under the law.

Why do those who are already on top, who already benefit from being treated better than the rest, need more help?

I just don't think your alt-right meme makes any sense.

 

You will have to identify "alt-right" before I can respond to that

 

I don't care what they think

We are a republic not a mob-rule pure democracy

We had an election and trump won

That gives him the presidential authority uitil he is voted or term limited out of office

 

The cessation movement was stated by the various states as being based on the "right" to continue slavery - a "right" so demanded that WAR was the only alternative found acceptable.

THAT is the root of what the stars and bars stood for.

When it continues to be used to stand for an assault on fundamental American principles, even to the very rights of existence of minorities in the US, you're darn right that I do not see anything but negative.

 

Slavery was an important issue that dates back the writing of the Constitution

But even slavery had as much to do with the concept of states rights and a limited central government as it did with owning black people

Because the percentage of slaveholders in America was very small

Most whites in the Confederate Army were small farmers who had no slaves and would not die just to protect the interests of rich plantation owners

 

We have the authority to oppose every move he makes. So does Congress and the Judiciary.

On this topic, Trump is taking a stand against fundamental principles of America.

He will be effective only in so far as he can lead this nation. But, he has demonstrated NO ability to do that.

 

That sounds really stupid if you ask me

Even corrupt swamp creatures in washington have to do a little work to keep the country running

if everyone sucks their thumb and does nothing its no good for anyone

But if that is the threat liberals want to use I think they will end up pounding sand just like Kim jung un did

 

not only that I wonder what all the libertarians and other 3 rd party types are using for brains these days?

Untill trump came along the game in washington was for insiders only

And it was very corrupt

Thats why most of the people on this forum and many in the country reject both political parties

But through trump there were many oppetunites for outsiders to the policical system that most of them will not see again in their lifetime

And they are throwing it away because they don't like trumps style

 

You can read the documents leading to and stating the decision to secede.

There are always those who disagree with a war, but who follow leaders - such as those depicted in statues. In fact, in a civil war such as ours they may have no realistic choice.

And, that means that those depicted by statues shoulder the burden of the objectives and actions taken.

 

Yes slavery was a big issue but far from the only one